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1010 HAWAIIAN ISLANDS.
Mr. STALKER. Tes.
The CHAIRMAN. What was the first intimation you had, or first idea
grasped by you, that that might result in a complete revolution of the
Govern meat?
Mr. STALKER. I think it was other than this. I had formed a conjecture
of that kind a day or two earlier from some little matters that
I had observed that I could not interpret the meaning of any other way.
I refer now to the fact of being in one or two hardware stores in town
and seeing
Senator GRAY. Was that on Monday?
Mr. STALKER. This was Monday, and possibly as early as Saturdayobserving
some citizens getting fixed ammunition, cartridges—saw a
number of citizens come in and rather quietly procure ammunition
and go out with it.
The CHAIRMAN. Then you began to think that they would have use
for that ammunition in some emeute or disturbance that was to take
place?
Mr. STALKER. I began to regard that as a possibility. I knew
nothing but what I saw, and began to wonder why there were so many
citizens wanting fixed ammunition.
The CHAIRMAN. And it was not until Monday, if I gather your
recollection about it, that you discovered there was an actual and
combined movement in that direction?
Mr. STALKER. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. About how many persons do you think were at the
meeting which you mentioned as having taken place in Honolulu on
Monday?
Mr. STALKER. Twelve hundred or 1,400.
The CHAIRMAN. Did it seem to be an intense meeting in its exhibition
of feeling?
Mr. STALKER. A good deal.
Senator GRAY. YOU, yourself, were at the meeting?
Mr. STALKER Yes.
Senator GRAY. There were other tourists, like yourself, who helped
to make up that number?
Mr. STALKER. Yes; I might say I saw people there from our hotel.
The CHAIRMAN. Speeches were made and resolutions adopted?
Mr. STALKER. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. Were there demonstrations of applause and cheering
about the meeting?
Mr. STALKER. Applause and cheering were pretty vociferous at the
time the speeches became of a rather sensational and exciting nature.
The CHAIRMAN. YOU have seen assemblages of that kind—not that
kind particularly, but many public assemblages—would you say from
your observation that that was an enthusiastic and strongly exciting,
intense meeting?
Mr. STALKER. I can hardly say that they were intensely excited. It
was a pretty enthusiastic meeting; a good deal of vociferous cheering
greeted the speakers, but there was no excitement, no disturbance.
The CHAIRMAN. Did the meeting impress you with the idea that
there was a resolute purpose to carry out the end?
Mr. STALKER. Yes; it did.
The CHAIRMAN. What was that end, as you gathered it from the
meeting; what was the purpose they had in view?
Mr. STALKER. I believed then, for the first time, certainly that a
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revolution was in contemplation, although that was disclaimed in the
speaking.
The CHAIRMAN. In the speeches was it stated, or did you understand
it to be advocated as an attitude of the meeting, that m the
event they covdd get a guaranty of their constitutional rights they
would not overthrow the Queen or revolutionize the Government?
Mr. STALKER. AS I recall it there was no policy, no promise of anything
outlined. It was rather a declamatory style of speaking, in which
the existing Government was severely criticised, different speakers
saying: "We are not here as revolutionists, but to talk about grievances."
I can not recall a single speech where so much as a single word
was said about changing the form of the Government. I can not recall
anything of the kind.
The CHAIRMAN. And yet you were conscious all the time that that
would be the result?
Mr. STALKER. Yes; when 1 went to my hotel immediately after the
meeting I said to some of my friends, "There will be an attempt at revolution
here inside of three days;" I was laughed av.
The CHAIRMAN. Suppose that the Hawaiian people had been left to
settle this matter in their own way, without the intervention of the
United States or any other country, could you state it as your opinion
that the popular demonstration which you witnessed at that meeting
and the persons who were engaged in it and the purposes which
actuated them were sufficiently strong and the people were sufficiently
powerful to carry their end against the real government? In other
words, did you believe from all the surrounding circumstances that the
revolution then inaugurated would be successful aside from the intervention
of the United States?
Mr. STALKER. I am not prepared to say I believed the Hawaiian
citizens who were most enthusiastic in this meeting would of themselves
conduct a successful revolution; but I had been led to believe by
some remarks of citizens that the men were coming from the Boston.
The CHAIRMAN. State what those remarks were, and who were the
men who made them, and when they were made as well as you can
remember.
Mr. STALKER. If I remember correctly, it was a friend of mine, a
Mr. White, who was a member of the revolutionary party, a nice
gentleman, ilc, said to me on this day
The CHAIRMAN. What day?
Mr. STALKER. I think this was Monday—"If you want to see some
fun get up early to-morrow; there will be an end of Kanaka Government."
The CHAIRMAN. What time of day was that remark made to you?
Mr. STALKER. I have been trying to recall that, and I am not quite
able to say whether this was in the forenoon or afternoon.
The CHAIRMAN. That was on Monday?
Mr. STALKER. Yes; I am sure this was on Monday.
The CHAIRMAN. Where wereyou when Mr. White made that remark?
Mr. STALKER. I met him on the street.
The CHAIRMAN. Do you remember whether it was before or after the
the mass meeting which you attended?
Mr. STALKER. I can not say as to that.
The CHAIRMAN. You have stated what he said. Have you stated
all or is there something else you wish to add?

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-HAWAIIAN ISLANDS.
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-Mr. STALKER. Tes.
-The CHAIRMAN. What was the first intimation you had, or first idea
+Mr. STALKER. Yes.
 grasped by you, that that might result in a complete revolution of the
-Govern meat?
+The CHAIRMAN. What was the first intimation you had, or first idea grasped by you, that that might result in a complete revolution of the Government?
 Mr. STALKER. I think it was other than this. I had formed a conjecture
-of that kind a day or two earlier from some little matters that
+Mr. STALKER. I think it was other than this. I had formed a conjecture of that kind a day or two earlier from some little matters that I had observed that I could not interpret the meaning of any other way. I refer now to the fact of being in one or two hardware stores in town and seeing----
 I had observed that I could not interpret the meaning of any other way.
-I refer now to the fact of being in one or two hardware stores in town
+Senator GRAY. Was that on Monday?
 and seeing
-Senator GRAY. Was that on Monday?
+Mr. STALKER. This was Monday, and possibly as early as Saturday observing some citizens getting fixed ammunition, cartridges—saw a number of citizens come in and rather quietly procure ammunition and go out with it.
-Mr. STALKER. This was Monday, and possibly as early as Saturdayobserving
-some citizens getting fixed ammunition, cartridges—saw a
+The CHAIRMAN. Then you began to think that they would have use for that ammunition in some emeute or disturbance that was to take place?
 number of citizens come in and rather quietly procure ammunition
-and go out with it.
+Mr. STALKER. I began to regard that as a possibility. I knew nothing but what I saw, and began to wonder why there were so many citizens wanting fixed ammunition.
 The CHAIRMAN. Then you began to think that they would have use
-for that ammunition in some emeute or disturbance that was to take
+The CHAIRMAN. And it was not until Monday, if I gather your recollection about it, that you discovered there was an actual and combined movement in that direction?
 place?
-Mr. STALKER. I began to regard that as a possibility. I knew
+Mr. STALKER. Yes.
 nothing but what I saw, and began to wonder why there were so many
-citizens wanting fixed ammunition.
+The CHAIRMAN. About how many persons do you think were at the meeting which you mentioned as having taken place in Honolulu on Monday?
 The CHAIRMAN. And it was not until Monday, if I gather your
 Mr. STALKER. Twelve hundred or 1,400.
 The CHAIRMAN. Did it seem to be an intense meeting in its exhibition
-of feeling?
+The CHAIRMAN. Did it seem to be an intense meeting in its exhibition of feeling?
 Mr. STALKER. A good deal.
-Senator GRAY. YOU, yourself, were at the meeting?
+Mr. STALKER. A good deal.
 Mr. STALKER Yes.
-Senator GRAY. There were other tourists, like yourself, who helped
+Senator GRAY. You, yourself, were at the meeting?
 to make up that number?
-Mr. STALKER. Yes; I might say I saw people there from our hotel.
+Mr. STALKER Yes.
 The CHAIRMAN. Speeches were made and resolutions adopted?
 Mr. STALKER. Yes.
 The CHAIRMAN. Were there demonstrations of applause and cheering
-about the meeting?
+The CHAIRMAN. Were there demonstrations of applause and cheering about the meeting?
 Mr. STALKER. Applause and cheering were pretty vociferous at the
-time the speeches became of a rather sensational and exciting nature.
+Mr. STALKER. Applause and cheering were pretty vociferous at the time the speeches became of a rather sensational and exciting nature.
-The CHAIRMAN. YOU have seen assemblages of that kind—not that
-kind particularly, but many public assemblages—would you say from
+The CHAIRMAN. You have seen assemblages of that kind—not that kind particularly, but many public assemblages—would you say from your observation that that was an enthusiastic and strongly exciting, intense meeting?
 your observation that that was an enthusiastic and strongly exciting,
-intense meeting?
+Mr. STALKER. I can hardly say that they were intensely excited. It was a pretty enthusiastic meeting; a good deal of vociferous cheering greeted the speakers, but there was no excitement, no disturbance.
 Mr. STALKER. I can hardly say that they were intensely excited. It
-was a pretty enthusiastic meeting; a good deal of vociferous cheering
+The CHAIRMAN. Did the meeting impress you with the idea that there was a resolute purpose to carry out the end?
 greeted the speakers, but there was no excitement, no disturbance.
-The CHAIRMAN. Did the meeting impress you with the idea that
+Mr. STALKER. Yes; it did.
 there was a resolute purpose to carry out the end?
-Mr. STALKER. Yes; it did.
+The CHAIRMAN. What was that end, as you gathered it from the meeting; what was the purpose they had in view?
 The CHAIRMAN. What was that end, as you gathered it from the
-meeting; what was the purpose they had in view?
+Mr. STALKER. I believed then, for the first time, certainly that a
 Mr. STALKER. I believed then, for the first time, certainly that a
-HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. 1011
+{{p|1011}}
 revolution was in contemplation, although that was disclaimed in the
-speaking.
+revolution was in contemplation, although that was disclaimed in the speaking.
 The CHAIRMAN. In the speeches was it stated, or did you understand
-it to be advocated as an attitude of the meeting, that m the
+The CHAIRMAN. In the speeches was it stated, or did you understand it to be advocated as an attitude of the meeting, that in the event they could get a guaranty of their constitutional rights they would not overthrow the Queen or revolutionize the Government?
-event they covdd get a guaranty of their constitutional rights they
-would not overthrow the Queen or revolutionize the Government?
+Mr. STALKER. As I recall it there was no policy, no promise of anything outlined. It was rather a declamatory style of speaking, in which the existing Government was severely criticised, different speakers saying: "We are not here as revolutionists, but to talk about grievances." I can not recall a single speech where so much as a single word was said about changing the form of the Government. I can not recall anything of the kind.
-Mr. STALKER. AS I recall it there was no policy, no promise of anything
-outlined. It was rather a declamatory style of speaking, in which
+The CHAIRMAN. And yet you were conscious all the time that that would be the result?
 the existing Government was severely criticised, different speakers
-saying: "We are not here as revolutionists, but to talk about grievances."
+Mr. STALKER. Yes; when I went to my hotel immediately after the meeting I said to some of my friends, "There will be an attempt at revolution here inside of three days;" I was laughed at.
 I can not recall a single speech where so much as a single word
-was said about changing the form of the Government. I can not recall
+The CHAIRMAN. Suppose that the Hawaiian people had been left to settle this matter in their own way, without the intervention of the United States or any other country, could you state it as your opinion that the popular demonstration which you witnessed at that meeting and the persons who were engaged in it and the purposes which actuated them were sufficiently strong and the people were sufficiently powerful to carry their end against the real government? In other words, did you believe from all the surrounding circumstances that the revolution then inaugurated would be successful aside from the intervention of the United States?
 anything of the kind.
-The CHAIRMAN. And yet you were conscious all the time that that
+Mr. STALKER. I am not prepared to say I believed the Hawaiian citizens who were most enthusiastic in this meeting would of themselves conduct a successful revolution; but I had been led to believe by some remarks of citizens that the men were coming from the ''Boston''.
 would be the result?
-Mr. STALKER. Yes; when 1 went to my hotel immediately after the
+The CHAIRMAN. State what those remarks were, and who were the men who made them, and when they were made as well as you can remember.
 meeting I said to some of my friends, "There will be an attempt at revolution
-here inside of three days;" I was laughed av.
+Mr. STALKER. If I remember correctly, it was a friend of mine, a Mr. White, who was a member of the revolutionary party, a nice gentleman.  He said to me on this day----
 The CHAIRMAN. Suppose that the Hawaiian people had been left to
-settle this matter in their own way, without the intervention of the
+The CHAIRMAN. What day?
 United States or any other country, could you state it as your opinion
-that the popular demonstration which you witnessed at that meeting
+Mr. STALKER. I think this was Monday—"If you want to see some fun get up early to-morrow; there will be an end of Kanaka Government."
 and the persons who were engaged in it and the purposes which
-actuated them were sufficiently strong and the people were sufficiently
+The CHAIRMAN. What time of day was that remark made to you?
 powerful to carry their end against the real government? In other
-words, did you believe from all the surrounding circumstances that the
+Mr. STALKER. I have been trying to recall that, and I am not quite able to say whether this was in the forenoon or afternoon.
 revolution then inaugurated would be successful aside from the intervention
-of the United States?
+The CHAIRMAN. That was on Monday?
 Mr. STALKER. I am not prepared to say I believed the Hawaiian
-citizens who were most enthusiastic in this meeting would of themselves
+Mr. STALKER. Yes; I am sure this was on Monday.
 conduct a successful revolution; but I had been led to believe by
-some remarks of citizens that the men were coming from the Boston.
+The CHAIRMAN. Where were you when Mr. White made that remark?
 The CHAIRMAN. State what those remarks were, and who were the
-men who made them, and when they were made as well as you can
+Mr. STALKER. I met him on the street.
 remember.
-Mr. STALKER. If I remember correctly, it was a friend of mine, a
+The CHAIRMAN. Do you remember whether it was before or after the the mass meeting which you attended?
 Mr. White, who was a member of the revolutionary party, a nice
-gentleman, ilc, said to me on this day
+Mr. STALKER. I can not say as to that.
 The CHAIRMAN. What day?
-Mr. STALKER. I think this was Monday—"If you want to see some
+The CHAIRMAN. You have stated what he said. Have you stated all or is there something else you wish to add?