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1018 HAWAIIAN ISLANDS.
Mr. STALKER. Comparatively little; there was no excitement on the
street that I could detect.
Senator GRAY. It was understood that the Queen had surrendered
in the way you have described?
Mr. STALKER. Yes. The next morning these matters were all in the
public prints, and her ukase, or whatever she termed it, was printed, and
in the morning papers.
Senator GRAY. . Did you hear any talk of projects or schemes of resistance
to the Provisional Government on that day, or shortly after?
Mr. STALKER. NO; never while I was there did I hear anything to
lead me to believe that there was any organized resistance in contemplation.
Senator GRAY. Did you ever have any conversation with any of the
officers of the Boston?
Mr. STALKER. Yes; I met them frequently at different times on
board the boat, and met them at the hotels.
Senator GRAY. Did you have any discussion with any of them in
regard to these events which had taken place?
Mr. STALKER. I talked with Capt. Wiltse about the subject.
Senator GRAY. What was the tenor of your conversation, so far as
it had reference to this matter?
Mr. STALKER. I remember on one occasion we were driving up from
Waikiki, which is a suburb, bathing resort, and the conversation turned
on this matter. I was interrogating Capt. Wiltse as to whether the
United States troops had not participated in this matter to rather an
unjustifiable extent.
The CHAIRMAN. Will you state just when that was?
Mr. STALKER. This was a few days after; I can not state the day.
The CHAIRMAN. After this Tuesday?
Mr. STALKER. Yes; after Tuesday—between that and the end of the
month some time. I asked him this question, whether this was not a
move to destroy the form of government that was the one preferred by
the great mass of the people of the islands.
Senator GRAY. With reference to the participation by the soldiers?
Mr. STALKER. With reference to their participation; as to whether
our Government had not involved itself in what had been done. Capt.
Wiltse made this remark to me: "All this talk about who has a right
to vote and who has a right to govern in these islands is bosh; I do
not care a cent about that; the only question is, does the United States
want these islands ? If it does, then take them." Those were his words.
Senator GRAY. You say this was some days after the revolution?
Mr. STALKER. Yes; some days.
Senator GRAY. And after the circumstances which you have
described ?
Mr. STALKER. Yes.
Senator GRAY. Was or was not the movement which you have
already described, and which resulted in the surrender, such as it was,
of the Queen and the establishment of the Provisional Government on
the terms of the proclamation, an annexation movement to the United
States, as distinguished, I mean, from an ordinary revolution having
for its object the displacement of one government by another?
Mr. STALKER. I believe it was. Perhaps even a better form would
Senator GRAY. State it in your own form.
Mr. STALKER. I believed it was.
Senator GRAY. State in your own words what your belief was.
HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. 1Q19
Mr. STALKER. My belief was that it was a movement intended to
end in the annexation of those islands to this country.
Senator GRAY. By that you mean that was the purpose which animated
those who acted in the revolution?
Mr. STALKER. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. Did you have any reason to know or believe that
that movement was disconnected from any purpose on the part of the
revolutionists to preserve and maintain their rights under the constitution
of 1887?
Mr. STALKER. I did not believe the revolution was inaugurated foi
the purposeof securing their rights under that constitution.
The CHAIRMAN. YOU did not believe that?
Mr. STALKER. ~NO.
The CHAIRMAN. State the grounds of that belief.
Mr. STALKER. I believed it from this fact, that one of the first items
of information that came to us after the downfall of the existing government
was that aboatwouldbe dispatched immediately to make a tender
of these islandsto this Government. That was early the next morning.
That was a matter of conversation everywhere. On making inquiry, I
went down to Mr. Severance's office to ascertain whether I could get a
l>ermit to go home on that boat. I had stayed a little longer than I had
intended, on account of the exciting events there, and 1 wanted to come
over on the GJaudine at the time she sailed with the commissioners.
Mr. Severance told me that I would not be able to get on board that
boat; and it was evident the following day that the preparations were
active for annexing these islands to the United States.
Senator GRAY. YOU were stating, in answer to a question by the
chairman, what the grounds of your belief were. You stated one fact.
I will ask whether you had any grounds for it in what you heard from
those who were active in the revolution that annexation was their
object?
Mr. STALKER. Possibly simple disconnected remarks. I had no
conversation with any active member of the revolutionary party containing
statements to that effect; only incidental remarks dropped in
my hearing, like these: "Soon we will all be Americans."
The CHAIRMAN. By whom were those incidental remarks dropped?
Mr. STALKER. I can not say. I remember hearing that remark
dropped by some person. I believe I heard that remark, or similar
remarks, in some of the crowds on the street, from men whom I would
not know.
Senator GRAY. English-speaking people—American people?
Mr. STALKER. Oh, yes; American people.
The CHAIRMAN. TO get at the nature of the belief on which you
were forming these opinions, I will ask you whether any person officially
connected with the Queen or the revolution came to you to
inform you of the nature of the affairs or the progress of the affairs
that were expected ?
Mr. STALKER. No.
The CHAIRMAN. What you had learned was the common gossip on
the street?
Mr. STALKER. Yes; that is where I gathered practically all my
information.
Senator GRAY. You were seeking information?
Mr. STALKER. I was seeking information. I was inquiring
THE CHAIRMAN. Did you gather from what you heard there and
observed there i i this way that these people who were promoting the

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-HAWAIIAN ISLANDS.
+{{p|1018}}
 Mr. STALKER. Comparatively little; there was no excitement on the
-street that I could detect.
+Mr. STALKER. Comparatively little; there was no excitement on the street that I could detect.
 Senator GRAY. It was understood that the Queen had surrendered
-in the way you have described?
+Senator GRAY. It was understood that the Queen had surrendered in the way you have described?
 Mr. STALKER. Yes. The next morning these matters were all in the
-public prints, and her ukase, or whatever she termed it, was printed, and
+Mr. STALKER. Yes. The next morning these matters were all in the public prints, and her ukase, or whatever she termed it, was printed, and in the morning papers.
 in the morning papers.
-Senator GRAY. . Did you hear any talk of projects or schemes of resistance
+Senator GRAY. Did you hear any talk of projects or schemes of resistance to the Provisional Government on that day, or shortly after?
 to the Provisional Government on that day, or shortly after?
-Mr. STALKER. NO; never while I was there did I hear anything to
+Mr. STALKER. No; never while I was there did I hear anything to lead me to believe that there was any organized resistance in contemplation.
 lead me to believe that there was any organized resistance in contemplation.
-Senator GRAY. Did you ever have any conversation with any of the
+Senator GRAY. Did you ever have any conversation with any of the officers of the ''Boston''?
 officers of the Boston?
-Mr. STALKER. Yes; I met them frequently at different times on
+Mr. STALKER. Yes; I met them frequently at different times on board the boat, and met them at the hotels.
 board the boat, and met them at the hotels.
-Senator GRAY. Did you have any discussion with any of them in
+Senator GRAY. Did you have any discussion with any of them in regard to these events which had taken place?
 regard to these events which had taken place?
 Mr. STALKER. I talked with Capt. Wiltse about the subject.
 Senator GRAY. What was the tenor of your conversation, so far as
-it had reference to this matter?
+Senator GRAY. What was the tenor of your conversation, so far as it had reference to this matter?
 Mr. STALKER. I remember on one occasion we were driving up from
-Waikiki, which is a suburb, bathing resort, and the conversation turned
+Mr. STALKER. I remember on one occasion we were driving up from Waikiki, which is a suburb, bathing resort, and the conversation turned on this matter. I was interrogating Capt. Wiltse as to whether the United States troops had not participated in this matter to rather an unjustifiable extent.
 on this matter. I was interrogating Capt. Wiltse as to whether the
-United States troops had not participated in this matter to rather an
+The CHAIRMAN. Will you state just when that was?
 unjustifiable extent.
-The CHAIRMAN. Will you state just when that was?
+Mr. STALKER. This was a few days after; I can not state the day.
 Mr. STALKER. This was a few days after; I can not state the day.
 The CHAIRMAN. After this Tuesday?
 Mr. STALKER. Yes; after Tuesday—between that and the end of the
-month some time. I asked him this question, whether this was not a
+Mr. STALKER. Yes; after Tuesday—between that and the end of the month some time. I asked him this question, whether this was not a move to destroy the form of government that was the one preferred by the great mass of the people of the islands.
 move to destroy the form of government that was the one preferred by
-the great mass of the people of the islands.
+Senator GRAY. With reference to the participation by the soldiers?
 Senator GRAY. With reference to the participation by the soldiers?
-Mr. STALKER. With reference to their participation; as to whether
+Mr. STALKER. With reference to their participation; as to whether our Government had not involved itself in what had been done. Capt. Wiltse made this remark to me: "All this talk about who has a right to vote and who has a right to govern in these islands is bosh; I do not care a cent about that; the only question is, does the United States want these islands? If it does, then take them." Those were his words.
 our Government had not involved itself in what had been done. Capt.
-Wiltse made this remark to me: "All this talk about who has a right
+Senator GRAY. You say this was some days after the revolution?
 to vote and who has a right to govern in these islands is bosh; I do
 Mr. STALKER. Yes; some days.
 Senator GRAY. And after the circumstances which you have
-described ?
+Senator GRAY. And after the circumstances which you have described?
 Mr. STALKER. Yes.
-Senator GRAY. Was or was not the movement which you have
+Mr. STALKER. Yes.
 already described, and which resulted in the surrender, such as it was,
-of the Queen and the establishment of the Provisional Government on
+Senator GRAY. Was or was not the movement which you have already described, and which resulted in the surrender, such as it was, of the Queen and the establishment of the Provisional Government on the terms of the proclamation, an annexation movement to the United States, as distinguished, I mean, from an ordinary revolution having for its object the displacement of one government by another?
 the terms of the proclamation, an annexation movement to the United
-States, as distinguished, I mean, from an ordinary revolution having
+Mr. STALKER. I believe it was. Perhaps even a better form would be------
 for its object the displacement of one government by another?
-Mr. STALKER. I believe it was. Perhaps even a better form would
+Senator GRAY. State it in your own form.
 Senator GRAY. State it in your own form.
 Mr. STALKER. I believed it was.
 Senator GRAY. State in your own words what your belief was.
-HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. 1Q19
+Senator GRAY. State in your own words what your belief was.
 Mr. STALKER. My belief was that it was a movement intended to
-end in the annexation of those islands to this country.
+{{p|1019}}
 Senator GRAY. By that you mean that was the purpose which animated
-those who acted in the revolution?
+Mr. STALKER. My belief was that it was a movement intended to end in the annexation of those islands to this country.
 Mr. STALKER. Yes.
-The CHAIRMAN. Did you have any reason to know or believe that
+Senator GRAY. By that you mean that was the purpose which animated those who acted in the revolution?
 that movement was disconnected from any purpose on the part of the
-revolutionists to preserve and maintain their rights under the constitution
+Mr. STALKER. Yes.
 of 1887?
-Mr. STALKER. I did not believe the revolution was inaugurated foi
+The CHAIRMAN. Did you have any reason to know or believe that that movement was disconnected from any purpose on the part of the revolutionists to preserve and maintain their rights under the constitution of 1887?
-the purposeof securing their rights under that constitution.
-The CHAIRMAN. YOU did not believe that?
+Mr. STALKER. I did not believe the revolution was inaugurated for the purpose of securing their rights under that constitution.
-Mr. STALKER. ~NO.
-The CHAIRMAN. State the grounds of that belief.
+The CHAIRMAN. You did not believe that?
 Mr. STALKER. I believed it from this fact, that one of the first items
-of information that came to us after the downfall of the existing government
+Mr. STALKER. No.
-was that aboatwouldbe dispatched immediately to make a tender
-of these islandsto this Government. That was early the next morning.
+The CHAIRMAN. State the grounds of that belief.
 That was a matter of conversation everywhere. On making inquiry, I
-went down to Mr. Severance's office to ascertain whether I could get a
+Mr. STALKER. I believed it from this fact, that one of the first items of information that came to us after the downfall of the existing government was that a boat would be dispatched immediately to make a tender of these islands to this Government. That was early the next morning. That was a matter of conversation everywhere. On making inquiry, I went down to Mr. Severance's office to ascertain whether I could get a permit to go home on that boat. I had stayed a little longer than I had intended, on account of the exciting events there, and I wanted to come over on the ''Claudine'' at the time she sailed with the commissioners. Mr. Severance told me that I would not be able to get on board that boat; and it was evident the following day that the preparations were active for annexing these islands to the United States.
-l>ermit to go home on that boat. I had stayed a little longer than I had
-intended, on account of the exciting events there, and 1 wanted to come
+Senator GRAY. You were stating, in answer to a question by the chairman, what the grounds of your belief were. You stated one fact. I will ask whether you had any grounds for it in what you heard from those who were active in the revolution that annexation was their object?
-over on the GJaudine at the time she sailed with the commissioners.
-Mr. Severance told me that I would not be able to get on board that
+Mr. STALKER. Possibly simple disconnected remarks. I had no conversation with any active member of the revolutionary party containing statements to that effect; only incidental remarks dropped in my hearing, like these: "Soon we will all be Americans."
 boat; and it was evident the following day that the preparations were
-active for annexing these islands to the United States.
+The CHAIRMAN. By whom were those incidental remarks dropped?
-Senator GRAY. YOU were stating, in answer to a question by the
-chairman, what the grounds of your belief were. You stated one fact.
+Mr. STALKER. I can not say. I remember hearing that remark dropped by some person. I believe I heard that remark, or similar remarks, in some of the crowds on the street, from men whom I would not know.
 I will ask whether you had any grounds for it in what you heard from
-those who were active in the revolution that annexation was their
+Senator GRAY. English-speaking people—American people?
 object?
 Mr. STALKER. Oh, yes; American people.
-The CHAIRMAN. TO get at the nature of the belief on which you
-were forming these opinions, I will ask you whether any person officially
+The CHAIRMAN. To get at the nature of the belief on which you were forming these opinions, I will ask you whether any person officially connected with the Queen or the revolution came to you to inform you of the nature of the affairs or the progress of the affairs that were expected?
 connected with the Queen or the revolution came to you to
-inform you of the nature of the affairs or the progress of the affairs
+Mr. STALKER. No.
 that were expected ?
-Mr. STALKER. No.
+The CHAIRMAN. What you had learned was the common gossip on the street?
 The CHAIRMAN. What you had learned was the common gossip on
-the street?
+Mr. STALKER. Yes; that is where I gathered practically all my information.
 Mr. STALKER. Yes; that is where I gathered practically all my
-information.
+Senator GRAY. You were seeking information?
 Senator GRAY. You were seeking information?
-Mr. STALKER. I was seeking information. I was inquiring
+Mr. STALKER. I was seeking information. I was inquiring------
 THE CHAIRMAN. Did you gather from what you heard there and
-observed there i i this way that these people who were promoting the
+THE CHAIRMAN. Did you gather from what you heard there and observed there in this way that these people who were promoting the