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revolution would not have been satisfied to have continued the monarchy
if they could have felt assured of the preservation of the rights
which they held under the constitution of'87?
Mr. STALKER. I certainly gathered the impression that they would
not be satisfied with that.
The CHAIRMAN. From whom did you gather that impression, if you
can state?
Mr. STALKER. I gathered that impression first from the speeches
made at the mass meeting.
The OIIA IRMAN. Were those speeches reported in the morning papers
or the papers the next day?
Mr. STALKER. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. Were they correctly reported?
Mr. STALKER. Measurably so.
The CHAIRMAN. Have you any fault to find with the report, or any
amendment to make of it, according to your memory?
Mr. STALKER. Not specially. I would not make any criticism on
the reports. I do not think they were verbatim reports in every
respect; but there was nothing stated that would materially change the
tone of the speeches.
The CHAIRMAN. What you are stating is the conviction that you
derived from the speeches as they were delivered and reported?
Mr. STALKER. Yes.
Senator GRAY. And I thought you said, remarks made in the meeting?
Mr. STALKER. And remarks made in the meeting, some of those in
the form of speeches, and occasionally by individuals in the meeting
responding. For instance, when Mr. Baldwin, I think, made use of
this expression: "What we do ought to be done under the constitution,"
a number of individuals shouted "No;" and while that might
point in the opposite direction from my interpretation—the general
belief—the general impression that I would gather from the tenor of
those speeches was that they were intending to form a new government
if public sentiment would seem to justify the movement.
Senator GRAY. DO you mean a form of government in favor of annexation?
Mr. STALKER, Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. The speeches you refer to—those made to the audience—
were very largely by men put up to speak?
Mr. STALKER. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. That is your conclusion ?
Mr. STALKER. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN, in regard to these incidental remarks in the audience,
were they different from the resolutions adopted at the meeting?
Mr. STALKER. Simply cries of " No," when a speaker indicated cautious
movement; but nothing in opposition to the resolution which was
a resolution favoring the continuance of the committee of safety and
expressing belief in their ability to look out for the interests of the
people, or something to that effect.
The CHAIRMAN. Amongst those objections that you have been speaking
about here, did you hear any cries or expressions to the effect that
the Queen was not to be trusted; that she intended to overthrow the
constitution ?
Mr. STALKER. Nothing of that kind from the crowd, that I recall.
The CHAIRMAN. Well, from the speakers?
HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. 1021
Mr. STALKER. From the speakers; yes—that the Queen was revolutionary
in her acts.
The CHAIRMAN. Did the crowd deny that?
Mr. STALKER. NO.
The CHAIRMAN. Did they not concur with the speakers on that proposition?
Mr. STALKER. They did. It would be my impression that they did.
The CHAIRMAN. SO that, you would gather that the real pith of the
movement was that they would no longer trust the Queen, because she
had begun a revolution by overturning the constitution?
Mr. STALKER. Yes; that was said, in effect, by the speakers.
The CHAIRMAN. Can you say, on the Tuesday or Wednesday that
you have mentioned, that the appearance of the Hawaiian Kanaka
population was that of a people resentful at the invasion of a hostile
power, and were awed into submission by a display of military force?
Mr. STALKER. That would be my opinion.
The CHAIRMAN. Did you observe any evidences of resentment, and
what were they, on the part of the Kanaka population at the appearance
of the IJ. S. forces in Honolulu?
Mr. STALKER. Have you in the first part of that question the expression
"resentment?"
The CHAIRMAN. Eesentful at the invasion of a hostile and foreign
power ?
Mr. STALKER. YOU had better agree on a way of stating that before
it is taken down.
Senator GRAY. State it in your own way; you have not answered
the question.
The CHAIRMAN. Yes; state it in your own way.
Mr. STALKER. I believe that a large majority of the native Hawaiian
population, so far as I was able to judge, was opposed to the action
taken by the troops of the Boston, and regarded it as unfriendly
toward their Government.
The CHAIRMAN. Can you state any fact that will go to support that
conclusion—any expression from any native Kanaka, or any movement
of the Kanaka population that will support that proposition?
Mr. STALKER. I would not be able to recall, probably, a statement
of any native. There was a quiet, or rather sullen, expression on the
faces of nearly all the native population, and a rather suppressed murmur
in regard to the presence of these troops. But I can not recall
any expression definitely used by individuals in the way of objection.
Senator GRAY. 1 know the difficulty in stating an impression
gathered as to the opinion of a large mass of people, of producing or
reproducing individual expressions. But, to put the chairman's question
in another form: Did you not receive this impression of which you
speak from the deportment and conversation that you observed and
felt, so to speak, all around you, and would not that support that opinion?
Mr. STALKER. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. Will you state what that deportment andconversa
tion were?
Mr. STALKER. I do recall, after thinking it over, a somewhat protracted
conversation with one native who was a member of the assembly.
The CHAIRMAN. What is his name?
Mr. STALKER. A Mr. Bush. He was unstinted in his denunciation
of the course pursued and of the purpose to overthrow the exist

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-HAWAIIAN ISLANDS.
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 revolution would not have been satisfied to have continued the monarchy
-if they could have felt assured of the preservation of the rights
+revolution would not have been satisfied to have continued the monarchy if they could have felt assured of the preservation of the rights which they held under the constitution of '87?
 which they held under the constitution of'87?
-Mr. STALKER. I certainly gathered the impression that they would
+Mr. STALKER. I certainly gathered the impression that they would not be satisfied with that.
 not be satisfied with that.
-The CHAIRMAN. From whom did you gather that impression, if you
+The CHAIRMAN. From whom did you gather that impression, if you can state?
 can state?
-Mr. STALKER. I gathered that impression first from the speeches
+Mr. STALKER. I gathered that impression first from the speeches made at the mass meeting.
 made at the mass meeting.
-The OIIA IRMAN. Were those speeches reported in the morning papers
+The CHAIRMAN. Were those speeches reported in the morning papers or the papers the next day?
 or the papers the next day?
 Mr. STALKER. Yes.
 The CHAIRMAN. Were they correctly reported?
-Mr. STALKER. Measurably so.
+The CHAIRMAN. Were they correctly reported?
 The CHAIRMAN. Have you any fault to find with the report, or any
-amendment to make of it, according to your memory?
+Mr. STALKER. Measurably so.
 Mr. STALKER. Not specially. I would not make any criticism on
-the reports. I do not think they were verbatim reports in every
+The CHAIRMAN. Have you any fault to find with the report, or any amendment to make of it, according to your memory?
 respect; but there was nothing stated that would materially change the
-tone of the speeches.
+Mr. STALKER. Not specially. I would not make any criticism on the reports. I do not think they were verbatim reports in every respect; but there was nothing stated that would materially change the tone of the speeches.
 The CHAIRMAN. What you are stating is the conviction that you
-derived from the speeches as they were delivered and reported?
+The CHAIRMAN. What you are stating is the conviction that you derived from the speeches as they were delivered and reported?
 Mr. STALKER. Yes.
-Senator GRAY. And I thought you said, remarks made in the meeting?
+Mr. STALKER. Yes.
 Mr. STALKER. And remarks made in the meeting, some of those in
-the form of speeches, and occasionally by individuals in the meeting
+Senator GRAY. And I thought you said, remarks made in the meeting?
 responding. For instance, when Mr. Baldwin, I think, made use of
-this expression: "What we do ought to be done under the constitution,"
+Mr. STALKER. And remarks made in the meeting, some of those in the form of speeches, and occasionally by individuals in the meeting responding. For instance, when Mr. Baldwin, I think, made use of this expression: "What we do ought to be done under the constitution," a number of individuals shouted "No;" and while that might point in the opposite direction from my interpretation—the general belief—the general impression that I would gather from the tenor of those speeches was that they were intending to form a new government if public sentiment would seem to justify the movement.
 a number of individuals shouted "No;" and while that might
-point in the opposite direction from my interpretation—the general
+Senator GRAY. Do you mean a form of government in favor of annexation?
 belief—the general impression that I would gather from the tenor of
-those speeches was that they were intending to form a new government
+Mr. STALKER. Yes.
 if public sentiment would seem to justify the movement.
-Senator GRAY. DO you mean a form of government in favor of annexation?
+The CHAIRMAN. The speeches you refer to—those made to the audience— were very largely by men put up to speak?
-Mr. STALKER, Yes.
-The CHAIRMAN. The speeches you refer to—those made to the audience—
+Mr. STALKER. Yes.
 were very largely by men put up to speak?
-Mr. STALKER. Yes.
+The CHAIRMAN. That is your conclusion?
 The CHAIRMAN. That is your conclusion ?
 Mr. STALKER. Yes.
-The CHAIRMAN, in regard to these incidental remarks in the audience,
-were they different from the resolutions adopted at the meeting?
+The CHAIRMAN. In regard to these incidental remarks in the audience, were they different from the resolutions adopted at the meeting?
 Mr. STALKER. Simply cries of " No," when a speaker indicated cautious
-movement; but nothing in opposition to the resolution which was
+Mr. STALKER. Simply cries of "No," when a speaker indicated cautious movement; but nothing in opposition to the resolution which was a resolution favoring the continuance of the committee of safety and expressing belief in their ability to look out for the interests of the people, or something to that effect.
 a resolution favoring the continuance of the committee of safety and
-expressing belief in their ability to look out for the interests of the
+The CHAIRMAN. Amongst those objections that you have been speaking about here, did you hear any cries or expressions to the effect that the Queen was not to be trusted; that she intended to overthrow the constitution?
 people, or something to that effect.
-The CHAIRMAN. Amongst those objections that you have been speaking
+Mr. STALKER. Nothing of that kind from the crowd, that I recall.
 about here, did you hear any cries or expressions to the effect that
-the Queen was not to be trusted; that she intended to overthrow the
+The CHAIRMAN. Well, from the speakers?
 constitution ?
-Mr. STALKER. Nothing of that kind from the crowd, that I recall.
+{{p|1021}}
 The CHAIRMAN. Well, from the speakers?
-HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. 1021
+Mr. STALKER. From the speakers; yes—that the Queen was revolutionary in her acts.
 Mr. STALKER. From the speakers; yes—that the Queen was revolutionary
-in her acts.
+The CHAIRMAN. Did the crowd deny that?
 The CHAIRMAN. Did the crowd deny that?
-Mr. STALKER. NO.
+Mr. STALKER. No.
 The CHAIRMAN. Did they not concur with the speakers on that proposition?
-Mr. STALKER. They did. It would be my impression that they did.
+The CHAIRMAN. Did they not concur with the speakers on that proposition?
-The CHAIRMAN. SO that, you would gather that the real pith of the
-movement was that they would no longer trust the Queen, because she
+Mr. STALKER. They did. It would be my impression that they did.
 had begun a revolution by overturning the constitution?
-Mr. STALKER. Yes; that was said, in effect, by the speakers.
+The CHAIRMAN. So that, you would gather that the real pith of the movement was that they would no longer trust the Queen, because she had begun a revolution by overturning the constitution?
 The CHAIRMAN. Can you say, on the Tuesday or Wednesday that
-you have mentioned, that the appearance of the Hawaiian Kanaka
+Mr. STALKER. Yes; that was said, in effect, by the speakers.
 population was that of a people resentful at the invasion of a hostile
-power, and were awed into submission by a display of military force?
+The CHAIRMAN. Can you say, on the Tuesday or Wednesday that you have mentioned, that the appearance of the Hawaiian Kanaka population was that of a people resentful at the invasion of a hostile power, and were awed into submission by a display of military force?
 Mr. STALKER. That would be my opinion.
-The CHAIRMAN. Did you observe any evidences of resentment, and
+Mr. STALKER. That would be my opinion.
 what were they, on the part of the Kanaka population at the appearance
-of the IJ. S. forces in Honolulu?
+The CHAIRMAN. Did you observe any evidences of resentment, and what were they, on the part of the Kanaka population at the appearance of the U.S. forces in Honolulu?
 Mr. STALKER. Have you in the first part of that question the expression
-"resentment?"
+Mr. STALKER. Have you in the first part of that question the expression "resentment?"
-The CHAIRMAN. Eesentful at the invasion of a hostile and foreign
-power ?
+The CHAIRMAN. Resentful at the invasion of a hostile and foreign power?
-Mr. STALKER. YOU had better agree on a way of stating that before
-it is taken down.
+Mr. STALKER. You had better agree on a way of stating that before it is taken down.
 Senator GRAY. State it in your own way; you have not answered
-the question.
+Senator GRAY. State it in your own way; you have not answered the question.
 The CHAIRMAN. Yes; state it in your own way.
-Mr. STALKER. I believe that a large majority of the native Hawaiian
+The CHAIRMAN. Yes; state it in your own way.
 population, so far as I was able to judge, was opposed to the action
-taken by the troops of the Boston, and regarded it as unfriendly
+Mr. STALKER. I believe that a large majority of the native Hawaiian population, so far as I was able to judge, was opposed to the action taken by the troops of the ''Boston'', and regarded it as unfriendly toward their Government.
 toward their Government.
-The CHAIRMAN. Can you state any fact that will go to support that
+The CHAIRMAN. Can you state any fact that will go to support that conclusion—any expression from any native Kanaka, or any movement of the Kanaka population that will support that proposition?
 conclusion—any expression from any native Kanaka, or any movement
-of the Kanaka population that will support that proposition?
+Mr. STALKER. I would not be able to recall, probably, a statement of any native. There was a quiet, or rather sullen, expression on the faces of nearly all the native population, and a rather suppressed murmur in regard to the presence of these troops. But I can not recall any expression definitely used by individuals in the way of objection.
 Mr. STALKER. I would not be able to recall, probably, a statement
-of any native. There was a quiet, or rather sullen, expression on the
+Senator GRAY. I know the difficulty in stating an impression gathered as to the opinion of a large mass of people, of producing or reproducing individual expressions. But, to put the chairman's question in another form: Did you not receive this impression of which you speak from the deportment and conversation that you observed and felt, so to speak, all around you, and would not that support that opinion?
 faces of nearly all the native population, and a rather suppressed murmur
-in regard to the presence of these troops. But I can not recall
+Mr. STALKER. Yes.
 any expression definitely used by individuals in the way of objection.
-Senator GRAY. 1 know the difficulty in stating an impression
+The CHAIRMAN. Will you state what that deportment and conversation were?
 gathered as to the opinion of a large mass of people, of producing or
-reproducing individual expressions. But, to put the chairman's question
+Mr. STALKER. I do recall, after thinking it over, a somewhat protracted conversation with one native who was a member of the assembly.
 in another form: Did you not receive this impression of which you
-speak from the deportment and conversation that you observed and
+The CHAIRMAN. What is his name?
 felt, so to speak, all around you, and would not that support that opinion?
-Mr. STALKER. Yes.
+Mr. STALKER. A Mr. Bush. He was unstinted in his denunciation of the course pursued and of the purpose to overthrow the exist