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		<title>Jere Krischel: /* =SWORN STATEMENT OF Z.S. SPALDING-Continued. */</title>
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		<title>Jere Krischel at 10:01, 11 February 2006</title>
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		<title>Ken Conklin at 05:04, 6 February 2006</title>
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		<title>Jere Krischel at 05:20, 12 December 2005</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;1160 HAWAIIAN ISLANDS.&lt;br /&gt;
U. S. E. S. DALE, 3D RATE,&lt;br /&gt;
Navy-Yard, Washington, D. C, January 19, 1894.&lt;br /&gt;
Snt: (1) In compliance with your request I submit, with diffidence,&lt;br /&gt;
my views on the Hawaiian Islands, more especially from a military&lt;br /&gt;
standpoint, and with reference to their value to the United States in&lt;br /&gt;
this respect.&lt;br /&gt;
Contrary to the views expressed by others, I have differed with&lt;br /&gt;
them in their conclusions thereon, as to their military value as a colonial&lt;br /&gt;
possession, holding, that, in time of war and without a navy equal&lt;br /&gt;
or nearly equal to that of the greatest naval power, their possession&lt;br /&gt;
would be a source of weakness rather than strength.&lt;br /&gt;
(2) In coming to this conclusion I have accepted, as a strategic fact,&lt;br /&gt;
two conditions existing in our national life, and which will continue to&lt;br /&gt;
exist for many years to come, which are either ignored or not accepted&lt;br /&gt;
at their just value, by other writers, in dealing with such fact.&lt;br /&gt;
(3) The first condition is, as stated before, the nonpossession of a&lt;br /&gt;
naval force equal, or nearly so, to that of the greatest naval power;&lt;br /&gt;
and the second is, the improbability of Congress or our people ever&lt;br /&gt;
permitting the creation and maintenance of such force. These two&lt;br /&gt;
conditions, therefore, are, in themselves, sufficient to establish, from a&lt;br /&gt;
military standpoint, the fact above referred to, as being of a strategic&lt;br /&gt;
nature, and which must be taken into consideration in dealing with&lt;br /&gt;
this problem. Being so, we need seek therefore no further for reasons&lt;br /&gt;
for not acquiring the islands, such as are now being discussed in the&lt;br /&gt;
public press.&lt;br /&gt;
(4) On the assumption that the wish is father to the thought, some&lt;br /&gt;
military writers are hoping that the islands once being acquired, the&lt;br /&gt;
United States would perforce be obliged to gradually create a large&lt;br /&gt;
naval force; to be led into it, as it were, and thus, on the Jesuitical&lt;br /&gt;
plan that the end justifies the means, ultimately find ourselves in a&lt;br /&gt;
position to successfully defend what we acquired, from their point of&lt;br /&gt;
view, more for that purpose than anything else. A careful scrutiny of&lt;br /&gt;
this has convinced me of the fallacy of their reasoning, and, if followed&lt;br /&gt;
out, will only lead, in my opinion, to further mortification without&lt;br /&gt;
creating the force desired. Much as I wish, aud think necessary, for&lt;br /&gt;
other just reasons, a larger !N&amp;quot;avy than that which we now possess, I&lt;br /&gt;
yet feel convinced that not until a distant future will we have one sufficiently&lt;br /&gt;
large to warrant our launching out on a policy of colonial&lt;br /&gt;
acquisition with any degree of military safety.&lt;br /&gt;
(5) Turning to the question (Hawaii being our colony) as to what we&lt;br /&gt;
would do with it in case of war with a great naval power, I could only&lt;br /&gt;
say that we would ultimately have to let it go after having wasted a&lt;br /&gt;
lot of money.&lt;br /&gt;
With Hawaii as our colony, national prudence would at least dictate&lt;br /&gt;
that we should at once have to set about putting it in a state of defense,&lt;br /&gt;
and that in no small way, either.&lt;br /&gt;
(6) We can not presume that no great naval war will occur, but we&lt;br /&gt;
can presume that when such does come, the side which has the greater&lt;br /&gt;
force aud is ready first, stands the better chance of winning. If, then,&lt;br /&gt;
our first duty is to be ready to defend our colony, and the more so that&lt;br /&gt;
it is an island, wisdom would dictate that it should be a defense not&lt;br /&gt;
against the weakest naval power, but against the strongest; and this,&lt;br /&gt;
as said before, requires such a force as the country is not willing to&lt;br /&gt;
create. Without, then, we immediately prepare, and on the required&lt;br /&gt;
scale, we would not be in that state of readiness demanded by the situation.&lt;br /&gt;
The great time essential to the creation and mobilization of&lt;br /&gt;
HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. 1167&lt;br /&gt;
battle fleets with all their accessories is now too well known not to be&lt;br /&gt;
seriously taken into account.&lt;br /&gt;
(7) The last military consideration that I have to note relates to the&lt;br /&gt;
probable results of a war between ourselves and a greater naval power,&lt;br /&gt;
with respect to our island colonies, coupled with our nonpreparation&lt;br /&gt;
and nonpossession of a nearly equal naval force. The breaking out of&lt;br /&gt;
hostilities would undoubtedly witness the attempt of a fleet of battle&lt;br /&gt;
ships to wrest the islands from us and hold them by keeping the sea.&lt;br /&gt;
This would ultimately be done by bringing a second or third fleet to&lt;br /&gt;
reenforce the first if necessary, nor is the point sustained, which is sometimes&lt;br /&gt;
advanced, that a great naval power would hesitate to weaken&lt;br /&gt;
itself elsewhere in order to do this, especially when the result to be&lt;br /&gt;
attained absolutely requires such action.&lt;br /&gt;
(8) In these days of great speeds, large coal radii, with cables and&lt;br /&gt;
coaling stations, naval forces can quickly be massed, or moved from&lt;br /&gt;
place to place, while the balance of power among the great nations&lt;br /&gt;
nowadays in Europe is too precious and too carefully established to&lt;br /&gt;
risk its disturbance simply to take advantage of each other.&lt;br /&gt;
(9) The true American policy with respect to Hawaii, from a military&lt;br /&gt;
standpoint, would seem to be their neutralization by international&lt;br /&gt;
treaty, so that all could come to coal and relit there; in all other respects,&lt;br /&gt;
save perhaps the sentimental side, we have already all the advantages&lt;br /&gt;
that can ever accrue to us by actual possession.&lt;br /&gt;
I am, dear sir, with great respect, your obedient servant,&lt;br /&gt;
E. S. HOUSTON,&lt;br /&gt;
Commander U. 8. Navy, Commanding.&lt;br /&gt;
Hon. GEORGE GRAY, M. C,&lt;br /&gt;
Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs, Washington, D. 0.&lt;br /&gt;
WASHINGTON, D. C, Tuesday, February 13,1894.&lt;br /&gt;
The subcommittee met pursuant to notice.&lt;br /&gt;
Present, the chairman (Senator Morgan) and Senators Sherman and&lt;br /&gt;
Erye.&lt;br /&gt;
Absent, Senators Butler and Gray.&lt;br /&gt;
SWORN STATEMENT OF Z. S. SPALDING—Continued.&lt;br /&gt;
The CHAIRMAN. Toucan make any statements in explanation of your&lt;br /&gt;
deposition, which you have just examined, with a view to its correction,&lt;br /&gt;
that you may think necessary to make more plain your meaning.&lt;br /&gt;
Mr. SPALDING. I find upon examination of the stenographic, report&lt;br /&gt;
of my former statement that I may be misunderstood regarding my estimate&lt;br /&gt;
of the capacity of the Hawaiian Islands for supporting a larger&lt;br /&gt;
population than is now to be found in the country.&lt;br /&gt;
I would explain that 1 mean to convey the idea or opinion that the&lt;br /&gt;
country is not and never can be a manufacturing or commercial country&lt;br /&gt;
based upon its own products. It lacks in mineral resources everything&lt;br /&gt;
required for manufacturing, and can hardly be said to have even agricultural&lt;br /&gt;
advantages necessary to compete with more favored countries&lt;br /&gt;
to the point of exporting enough to pay for what necessary imports&lt;br /&gt;
would be required from abroad. Sugar, coffee, rice, and other staples&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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