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608 HAWAIIAN ISLANDS.
instance, when they want a church, I give them a piece of land to put
it on, and give them the use of my carpenters in building it, and help
them secure the money to build it with—help them secure their churches
and schools.
The CHAIRMAN. Are the natives interested in such matters as
those?
Mr. SPALDING. Yes; they are all, as a rule, interested in their little
churches and in their schools. We have two quite good-sized schoolhouses,
which makes quite a large school, on my own plantation, a short
distance from the mill. I gave the land to them and assisted them in
putting up their building. The school may be said to be right under
my eye. My financial clerk is the agent of the Government school board,
or board of education, in all its financial transactions.
The CHAIRMAN. DO the natives participate in all these public institutions?
Mr. SPALDING. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. Freely and with spirit?
Mr. SPALDING. They attend these schools. Education is compulsory
up to a certain age.
The CHAIRMAN. Are the people in harmony with that sentiment of
progress, improvement, and enlightenment?
Mr. SPALDING. AS far as you could expect them to be.
The CHAIRMAN. IS there any antagonism to it?
Mr. SPALDING. I think not. In some cases, where the natives are
by themselves, away from the plantations, they may have been imbued
with the idea that the foreigners are aggressive people, trying to
get possession of their property, and it is necessary to fight them off;
and in political campaigns stories have been told to them by officeseekers
that would, perhaps, in some instances, estrange them from
foreigners with whom they would otherwise have been on good terms.
The CHAIRMAN. SO that you would say that amongst the native
Kanaka population the general drift of feeling or opinion would be in
favor of those institutions first established by the missionaries ?
Mr. SPALDING. Yes. And the natives have looked more upon the
United States as the father of their Government. They always speak
of the American war ships as " our war ships," in contradistinction from
the British war ships; and the 4th of July, has been the gala day of
the country. We have the Kamehameha day. The Kamehameha day
is the first; that is the 11th of June; but they have always celebrated
the 4th day of July as the gala day of the country.
The CHAIRMAN. Kamehameha I was a chief?
Mr. SPALDING. He was a high chief. He was not Royal blood but he
was a nephew of one of the Kings of Hawaii.
The CHAIRMAN. At the time he came to the front there were kings
over these islands ?
Mr. SPALDING. A half dozen. There were three kings on Hawaii
alone.
The CHAIRMAN. He established himself by uniting all these kingdoms
into his empire ?
Mr. SPALDING. Yes; by force.
The CHAIRMAN. And there is where the Kamehameha family took
its origin as a royal dynasty?
Mr. SPALDING. Yes. One part of the island of Hawaii was left by the
king of that section—there were three kings there—to Kamehameha
and to the son of the old King when he, the old King, died. Afterward
HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. 609
the son, through the influence of some of his chiefs, attempted to wrest
from Kamehameha his share of this part of the Kingdom. He was defeated,
killed, slain in battle. Then Kamehameha went to work and
conquered the balance of Hawaii and the other islands.
The CHAIRMAN. I suppose you have examined Jarvis History ot
Hawaii?
Mr. SPALDING. In old times.
The CHAIRMAN. IS that considered authentic—a correct history?
Mr. SPALDING. I think so. One of the best histories is a short one
by Prof. Alexander.
The CHAIRMAN. But Jarvis' History is a standard work?
Mr. SPALDING. It has always been so regarded on historical questions.
..
The CHAIRMAN. What are your annual taxes to the Hawaiian Government?
Mr. SPALDING. I pay on my plantation—of course I practically own
the whole plantation; I have it in the form of a stock company, but I
own 4,915 shares out of 5,000, so that my taxes amount to $8,000 or
$9,000 a year.
The CHAIRMAN. What are your estates there valued at; what do
you think a reasonable value on your estate?
Mr. SPALDING. My estate?
The CHAIRMAN. The estate which you control by this arrangement
of which you have been speaking.
Mr. SPALDING. I should consider it worth from a million of dollars
upwards. It depends somewhat upon the outlook.
The CHAIRMAN. The taxes you speak of paying, $8,000 or $9,000 a
year, I suppose are direct taxes to the Government?
Mr. SPALDING. Direct taxes; yes.
The CHAIRMAN. In addition to them you pay the tariff tax?
Mr. SPALDING. Oh, certainly.
The CHAIRMAN. So that your entire taxation during the year would
amount to considerably more than that?
Mr. SPALDING. Yes; $10,000 or $12,000 a year.
The CHAIRMAN. Let me ask you what is your estimate—it is not
expected to be accurate—of the present value of the investments made
by American citizens in the Hawaiian Islands?
Mr. SPALDING. If the times were good I should say those investments
were $50,000,000; being very bad the value is not over $30,000,000;
but anywhere from $30,000,000 to $50,000,000.
The CHAIRMAN. Thirty million dollars would be the minimum?
Mr. SPALDING. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. Are you a citizen of Hawaii ?
Mr. SPALDING. I voted in 1887, but I have not taken the oath of
allegiance in Hawaii. I have not lost my citizenship in the United
States.
The CHAIRMAN. That is a process of naturalization there, to take
the oath of allegiance?
Mr. SPALDING. Yes; I do not knowT how the United States would
regard it. Previous to 1887 you could not vote without having taken
the oath of allegiance. That was changed under the laws of 1887 so
that you could register, and you would simply have to take the oath to
support the constitution, but not become a citizen.
The CHAIRMAN. Somewhat similar to the privilege granted by some
of the States with regard to signifying au intention?
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-HAWAIIAN ISLANDS.
+{{p|608}}
 instance, when they want a church, I give them a piece of land to put
-it on, and give them the use of my carpenters in building it, and help
+instance, when they want a church, I give them a piece of land to put it on, and give them the use of my carpenters in building it, and help them secure the money to build it with—help them secure their churches and schools.
 them secure the money to build it with—help them secure their churches
-and schools.
+The CHAIRMAN. Are the natives interested in such matters as those?
 The CHAIRMAN. Are the natives interested in such matters as
-those?
+Mr. SPALDING. Yes; they are all, as a rule, interested in their little churches and in their schools. We have two quite good-sized schoolhouses, which makes quite a large school, on my own plantation, a short distance from the mill. I gave the land to them and assisted them in putting up their building. The school may be said to be right under my eye. My financial clerk is the agent of the Government school board, or board of education, in all its financial transactions.
 Mr. SPALDING. Yes; they are all, as a rule, interested in their little
-churches and in their schools. We have two quite good-sized schoolhouses,
+The CHAIRMAN. Do the natives participate in all these public institutions?
 which makes quite a large school, on my own plantation, a short
-distance from the mill. I gave the land to them and assisted them in
+Mr. SPALDING. Yes.
 putting up their building. The school may be said to be right under
-my eye. My financial clerk is the agent of the Government school board,
+The CHAIRMAN. Freely and with spirit?
 or board of education, in all its financial transactions.
-The CHAIRMAN. DO the natives participate in all these public institutions?
+Mr. SPALDING. They attend these schools. Education is compulsory up to a certain age.
 Mr. SPALDING. Yes.
-The CHAIRMAN. Freely and with spirit?
+The CHAIRMAN. Are the people in harmony with that sentiment of progress, improvement, and enlightenment?
 Mr. SPALDING. They attend these schools. Education is compulsory
-up to a certain age.
+Mr. SPALDING. As far as you could expect them to be.
 The CHAIRMAN. Are the people in harmony with that sentiment of
-progress, improvement, and enlightenment?
+The CHAIRMAN. Is there any antagonism to it?
-Mr. SPALDING. AS far as you could expect them to be.
-The CHAIRMAN. IS there any antagonism to it?
+Mr. SPALDING. I think not. In some cases, where the natives are by themselves, away from the plantations, they may have been imbued with the idea that the foreigners are aggressive people, trying to get possession of their property, and it is necessary to fight them off; and in political campaigns stories have been told to them by officeseekers that would, perhaps, in some instances, estrange them from foreigners with whom they would otherwise have been on good terms.
 Mr. SPALDING. I think not. In some cases, where the natives are
-by themselves, away from the plantations, they may have been imbued
+The CHAIRMAN. So that you would say that amongst the native Kanaka population the general drift of feeling or opinion would be in favor of those institutions first established by the missionaries?
 with the idea that the foreigners are aggressive people, trying to
-get possession of their property, and it is necessary to fight them off;
+Mr. SPALDING. Yes. And the natives have looked more upon the United States as the father of their Government. They always speak of the American war ships as "our war ships," in contradistinction from the British war ships; and the 4th of July, has been the gala day of the country. We have the Kamehameha day. The Kamehameha day is the first; that is the 11th of June; but they have always celebrated the 4th day of July as the gala day of the country.
 and in political campaigns stories have been told to them by officeseekers
-that would, perhaps, in some instances, estrange them from
+The CHAIRMAN. Kamehameha I was a chief?
 foreigners with whom they would otherwise have been on good terms.
-The CHAIRMAN. SO that you would say that amongst the native
+Mr. SPALDING. He was a high chief. He was not Royal blood but he was a nephew of one of the Kings of Hawaii.
 Kanaka population the general drift of feeling or opinion would be in
-favor of those institutions first established by the missionaries ?
+The CHAIRMAN. At the time he came to the front there were kings over these islands?
 Mr. SPALDING. Yes. And the natives have looked more upon the
-United States as the father of their Government. They always speak
+Mr. SPALDING. A half dozen. There were three kings on Hawaii alone.
 of the American war ships as " our war ships," in contradistinction from
-the British war ships; and the 4th of July, has been the gala day of
+The CHAIRMAN. He established himself by uniting all these kingdoms into his empire?
 the country. We have the Kamehameha day. The Kamehameha day
-is the first; that is the 11th of June; but they have always celebrated
+Mr. SPALDING. Yes; by force.
 the 4th day of July as the gala day of the country.
-The CHAIRMAN. Kamehameha I was a chief?
+The CHAIRMAN. And there is where the Kamehameha family took its origin as a royal dynasty?
 Mr. SPALDING. He was a high chief. He was not Royal blood but he
-was a nephew of one of the Kings of Hawaii.
+Mr. SPALDING. Yes. One part of the island of Hawaii was left by the king of that section—there were three kings there—to Kamehameha and to the son of the old King when he, the old King, died. Afterward
 The CHAIRMAN. At the time he came to the front there were kings
-over these islands ?
+{{p|609}}
 Mr. SPALDING. A half dozen. There were three kings on Hawaii
-alone.
+the son, through the influence of some of his chiefs, attempted to wrest from Kamehameha his share of this part of the Kingdom. He was defeated, killed, slain in battle. Then Kamehameha went to work and conquered the balance of Hawaii and the other islands.
 The CHAIRMAN. He established himself by uniting all these kingdoms
-into his empire ?
+The CHAIRMAN. I suppose you have examined Jarvis History of Hawaii?
 Mr. SPALDING. Yes; by force.
-The CHAIRMAN. And there is where the Kamehameha family took
+Mr. SPALDING. In old times.
 its origin as a royal dynasty?
-Mr. SPALDING. Yes. One part of the island of Hawaii was left by the
+The CHAIRMAN. Is that considered authentic—a correct history?
 king of that section—there were three kings there—to Kamehameha
-and to the son of the old King when he, the old King, died. Afterward
+Mr. SPALDING. I think so. One of the best histories is a short one by Prof. Alexander.
-HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. 609
-the son, through the influence of some of his chiefs, attempted to wrest
+The CHAIRMAN. But Jarvis' History is a standard work?
 from Kamehameha his share of this part of the Kingdom. He was defeated,
-killed, slain in battle. Then Kamehameha went to work and
+Mr. SPALDING. It has always been so regarded on historical questions.
 conquered the balance of Hawaii and the other islands.
-The CHAIRMAN. I suppose you have examined Jarvis History ot
+The CHAIRMAN. What are your annual taxes to the Hawaiian Government?
 Hawaii?
-Mr. SPALDING. In old times.
+Mr. SPALDING. I pay on my plantation—of course I practically own the whole plantation; I have it in the form of a stock company, but I own 4,915 shares out of 5,000, so that my taxes amount to $8,000 or $9,000 a year.
-The CHAIRMAN. IS that considered authentic—a correct history?
-Mr. SPALDING. I think so. One of the best histories is a short one
+The CHAIRMAN. What are your estates there valued at; what do you think a reasonable value on your estate?
 by Prof. Alexander.
-The CHAIRMAN. But Jarvis' History is a standard work?
+Mr. SPALDING. My estate?
 Mr. SPALDING. It has always been so regarded on historical questions.
-..
+The CHAIRMAN. The estate which you control by this arrangement of which you have been speaking.
 The CHAIRMAN. What are your annual taxes to the Hawaiian Government?
-Mr. SPALDING. I pay on my plantation—of course I practically own
+Mr. SPALDING. I should consider it worth from a million of dollars upwards. It depends somewhat upon the outlook.
 the whole plantation; I have it in the form of a stock company, but I
-own 4,915 shares out of 5,000, so that my taxes amount to $8,000 or
+The CHAIRMAN. The taxes you speak of paying, $8,000 or $9,000 a year, I suppose are direct taxes to the Government?
 $9,000 a year.
-The CHAIRMAN. What are your estates there valued at; what do
+Mr. SPALDING. Direct taxes; yes.
 you think a reasonable value on your estate?
-Mr. SPALDING. My estate?
+The CHAIRMAN. In addition to them you pay the tariff tax?
 The CHAIRMAN. The estate which you control by this arrangement
-of which you have been speaking.
+Mr. SPALDING. Oh, certainly.
 Mr. SPALDING. I should consider it worth from a million of dollars
-upwards. It depends somewhat upon the outlook.
+The CHAIRMAN. So that your entire taxation during the year would amount to considerably more than that?
 The CHAIRMAN. The taxes you speak of paying, $8,000 or $9,000 a
-year, I suppose are direct taxes to the Government?
+Mr. SPALDING. Yes; $10,000 or $12,000 a year.
 Mr. SPALDING. Direct taxes; yes.
-The CHAIRMAN. In addition to them you pay the tariff tax?
+The CHAIRMAN. Let me ask you what is your estimate—it is not expected to be accurate—of the present value of the investments made by American citizens in the Hawaiian Islands?
 Mr. SPALDING. Oh, certainly.
-The CHAIRMAN. So that your entire taxation during the year would
+Mr. SPALDING. If the times were good I should say those investments were $50,000,000; being very bad the value is not over $30,000,000; but anywhere from $30,000,000 to $50,000,000.
 amount to considerably more than that?
-Mr. SPALDING. Yes; $10,000 or $12,000 a year.
+The CHAIRMAN. Thirty million dollars would be the minimum?
 The CHAIRMAN. Let me ask you what is your estimate—it is not
-expected to be accurate—of the present value of the investments made
+Mr. SPALDING. Yes.
 by American citizens in the Hawaiian Islands?
-Mr. SPALDING. If the times were good I should say those investments
+The CHAIRMAN. Are you a citizen of Hawaii?
 were $50,000,000; being very bad the value is not over $30,000,000;
-but anywhere from $30,000,000 to $50,000,000.
+Mr. SPALDING. I voted in 1887, but I have not taken the oath of allegiance in Hawaii. I have not lost my citizenship in the United States.
 The CHAIRMAN. Thirty million dollars would be the minimum?
-Mr. SPALDING. Yes.
+The CHAIRMAN. That is a process of naturalization there, to take the oath of allegiance?
 The CHAIRMAN. Are you a citizen of Hawaii ?
-Mr. SPALDING. I voted in 1887, but I have not taken the oath of
+Mr. SPALDING. Yes; I do not know how the United States would regard it. Previous to 1887 you could not vote without having taken the oath of allegiance. That was changed under the laws of 1887 so that you could register, and you would simply have to take the oath to support the constitution, but not become a citizen.
 allegiance in Hawaii. I have not lost my citizenship in the United
-States.
+The CHAIRMAN. Somewhat similar to the privilege granted by some of the States with regard to signifying an intention?
 The CHAIRMAN. That is a process of naturalization there, to take
-the oath of allegiance?
+S. Doc. 231, pt 6----39