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where all four of the ministers were present, and they showed us the
original document signed by Liliuokalani and the ministers.
The CHAIRMAN. The four ministers of whom?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. The ministers of Liliuokalani.
The CHAIRMAN. Was that proclamation scattered around the city ?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Yes; broadcast.
The CHAIRMAN. Printed!
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. It was by authority, then?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Yes; by authority.
The CHAIRMAN. It was a paper printed, called "by authority"?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. That is what they put at the head.
The CHAIRMAN. To indicate its official character?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. Notwithstanding that proclamation, your massmeeting
was held when ?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. About half paou A.
The CHAIRMAN. What members assembled?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Just similar to the mass meeting in 1887. There
was not a business house in Honolulu that was not closed. All the
business houses closed up and the heads of the firms came to the meeting;
all factories stopped, all machine shops, all business stopped just
as in 1887. There were some events that transpired on Monday morning,
the 10th, before the mass meeting. Had we better finish those up?
The CHAIRMAN. Yes.
Mr. MCCANDLESS. We met first
The CHAIRMAN. YOU mean the committee?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. On Monday morning the committee of safety met
in Mr. Thurston's office. Just as I was going in Marshal Wilson came
out of the room with Mr. Thurston. He took him into his private office,
and they stayed there some minutes, and Mr. Thurston came back and
reported what the conversation was between them. The report in
regard to that was that Marshal Wilson said to Mr. Thurston, "Can't
this thing be stopped?"
Senator GRAY. What did he mean; the meeting?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. The movement; the revolution.
Senator GRAY. Are you sure he meant the movement, or the meeting ?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. I will state the whole thing and you will see he
meant the movement. Thurston said, " I do not think it can." Marshal
Wilson said, "Well, I will guarantee that she won't do that any more;
if she attempts it I will lock her up before she can attempt anything
again." Mr. Thurston said, "We can't stop on any such guarantee as
that; it has gone too far now; we can't stop it." That is the substance
of Mr. Thurston's statement to the committee of safety as to what
occurred at his interview with Marshal Wilson. Of course, I can not
give you the exact words now. Then there was a committee of three
appointed from the committee of safety to go up and confer with the
ministers. They had requested it in writing, the day before, in a letter
to Mr. Thurston. They asked for a conference with the committee of
safety, and William Wilder, F. W. McChesney, and myself constituted
that committee. We were instructed to go and hear what they had to
say, and say nothing. We went up to the Government building and
the foreign office. They were all there. We were ushered in, and
they were on the other side of the room. We were opposite to them.
Finally there was a pause—one of the ministers said, "What is it,
gentlemen?" And we said, "We have come up here to see you on
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account of the appointment you asked of Mr. Thurston." One of the
ministers said, "We have decided that there is nothing to say, just
now; the Queen has just signed a paper that she will not commit an
act of this kind again, and agreed to abide by the constitution."
Senator GRAY. That was Monday morning?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Monday morning. Of course, we had nothing to
say. McChesney said, "What is this mass meeting of yours?" They
had gotten out posters late Sunday night.
The CHAIRMAN. TO whom did he address that question!
Mr. MCCANDLESS. TO the cabinet.
The CHAIRMAN. Name them.
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Colburn, Peterson, Parker, and Cornwall.
The CHAIRMAN. They were all present?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. All present—all four of them. They had gotten
out posters calling a mass meeting of the people in Palace Square.
McChesney said, "What did you call that meetingfor?" Parker said,
"To draw the crowd away from your meeting." That, I think, ended
the interview. I do not remember anything else being said.
The CHAIRMAN. Was that a formal visit of the committee of safety
to the Queen's cabinet?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. That was a formal visit of a committee of the committee
of safety to the cabinet.
The CHAIRMAN. Where did it occur?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. In the foreign office of the Government building.
Senator GRAY. Two members of the cabinet had been before the
committee, and said they did not agree with the new constitution, and
were at outs with the Queen. That is so?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. That is so—down at the public meeting. But
there was at that time, as we afterward ascertained—did not know it
then—a proclamation drawn up by the ministers, and it was even
signed—I think drawn up and in their possession ready to be proclaimed
at any time—declaring the Queen deposed and reorganizing •
the Government. This letter from the cabinet to Thurston, asking for
the conference, was in regard to the ministers taking charge of the
Government and deposiiig the Queen entirely, and their entering into
the movement with us, we supporting them.
Senator GRAY. The first movement was largely initiated by the support
of these recalcitrant ministers of the Queen?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. I will put it the other way—they were the ones
who initiated
Senator GRAY. I say the movement was initiated in support of the
recalcitrant ministers against the Queen's proposition to proclaim a new
constitution?
The CHAIRMAN. At their request.
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Yes; at their request.
The CHAIRMAN. YOU spoke of a proclamation drawn up and ready
to be signed, or had been signed. What proclamation was that?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. That was the proclamation drawn up on Saturday
afternoon.
The CHAIRMAN. By whom ?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. I think by Judge Hartwell and Thurston, and
probably Wx. O. Smith and the cabinet.
The CHAIRMAN. WThat cabinet ?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Peterson, Colburn, Parker, and Cornwall.
The CHAIRMAN. What was included in that proclamation ?

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