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Senator GRAY. It was not talked about?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Oh, it was discussed, certainly.
Senator GRAY. In what respect was it discussed?
Mr. MCCANDLBSS. It was discussed in respect to what would be the
attitude of the American minister.
Senator GRAY. Was it thought his attitude would be sympathetic
or unsympathetic?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. There were doubts about that.
Senator GRAY. Werethereany doubts that Mr. Stevens sympathized
with the movement.
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Yes.
Senator GRAY. Did you doubt it?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. It was doubted that much that we requested him,
after we requested the troops to be landed, not to have them landed,
for fear it would precipitate a crisis.
Senator GRAY. Had you any doubt at that time in regard to Mr.
Stevens's sympathies with this movement?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. I do not think there was any serious doubt in
my mind about it, although I was one of the members who took the
side that we would stand a better show on Monday afternoon not to
have the troops landed.
Senator GRAY. When did you want them landed?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Well, I thought we had better be let alone. The
idea prevailed that they had better be let alone, and when the crisis
came he would land them himself.
Senator GRAY. Then it was your idea it would be better not to have
them landed? I see it stated here that the proposition of the committee
was that they should be landed the next morning at 9 or 10 o'clock.
When did you think they should be landed?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. I do not think there was a time stated. We
thought it was better to let them stay there because the crisis would
be precipitated.
Senator DANIEL. What were you afraid of in that crisis ?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. The Queen's forces.
Senator DANIEL. That they would suppress the revolution!
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Yes; might attempt it.
Senator DANIEL. DO you think they could do it?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. I do not think so.
Senator DANIEL. Did you then think so?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. We did not think so Monday morning. Minister
Thurston defied Marshal Wilson in his interview with him.
Senator FRYE. But as I understand you the uncertainty was as to
what effect the landing of the troops would have; whether it would
encourage the Queen's troops?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. We did not know what effect it would have—
encouragement or otherwise.
Senator FRYE. The landing of the troops the last time had put Kalakaua
on the throne, had it not?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Of course in 1889 the movement was an intrigue
that both Kalakaua and Mrs. Dominis were in, and they were taken by
complete surprise.
Senator FRYE. The troops had the aid of the King, the existing Government?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. I can not say as to that.
Senator FRYE. He remained on the throne, did he not?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. That movement in 1889 was not to put him on the
throne; he was on the throne.
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Senator GRAY. Had you not heard before the meeting on Monday
evening, if not at that meeting, that Minister Stevens would land the
troops to protect American life and property, and that he would recognize
that Provisional Government so soon as it had possession of the
Government building?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. That he would recognize the Provisional Government
whenever it was a government.
Senator GRAY. That he would consider the Government—put it that
wav—when it had possession of the Government building?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. NO ; I do not think so.
Senator GRAY. What did you understand?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. When we had the upper hand he would recognize
us.
Senator GRAY. What did you understand? Did you not suppose
during Monday or Tuesday that the presence of the United States
troops was the important factor one way or the other ? or do you mean
to say that you gave no account to it at all?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. I say it had its bearing. It stopped all ideas of
riot and bloodshed.
Senator GRAY. Did you not think it stopped all idea of your movement?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. I do not think so. Our movement was weaker
Monday morning than Monday evening.
Senator GRAY. Do you not think the landing of the United States
troops stopped all idea of the movement?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. On their part?
Senator GRAY. I am not talking from a standpoint one way or the
other. It is quite possible from what you say if I had been there I
would have been where you were. I am not criticising you. But as a
matter of fact, looking at it, state, under the responsibilities you are
under as a witness, if you did not believe that the idea of your movement
was entirely dissipated by the presence of the United States
troops?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. NO; I do not think so.
Senator GRAY. YOU think it would have been precisely as it was if
there had been no troops there at that moment of time?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. If you take into consideration the movement of
1887, how we won then, and could have set up a government, and the
whites taken by surprise in 1889, yet maintained their supremacy
Senator GRAY. YOU supported the existing government in 1887?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. We did not support them in 1887. Of course,
there was a complete overthrow of the monarchy.
Senator GRAY. Did it continue?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Yes.
Senator FRYE. In view of those facts—you were going on to say?
Mr. MCCANDLESS. In view of those facts we had the same amount
of confidence that any man had who had been through the same thing,
and there was no reason why we should not win again.
Senator FRYE. You were going on to state how they formed this
provisional government. You got the notice to Dole and notice to
Cecil Brown and stated that they were awaiting replies.
Mr. MCCANDLESS. Of course Mr. Brown left. We did not expect
him to go in after that. And then we began to pick out the members
for the advisory council. I think we agreed that night on the executive
council—the four ministers—and we selected most of the names
for the advisory council. We probably stayed there until 11 or half
past 11 o'clock, and then adjourned until the next morning.

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