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The CHAIRMAN. Have they many open mines in the State of Washington?
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Mr. SIMPSON. Quite a number; I should say in the neighborhood of
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The CHAIRMAN. Have they many open mines in the State  
40 or 50. But there are not many of them that are worked. The fact
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of Washington?
is, the coal deposits are so great that it does not pay to work them,
+
 
except they have a guaranteed channel for their trade. Nearly all
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Mr. SIMPSON. Quite a number; I should say in the  
the coal mines are owned or controlled by large corporations, such as
+
neighborhood of 40 or 50.
the Southern Pacific Railroad Company, the Union Pacific Eailroad
+
But there are not many of them that are worked. The  
Company, the Northern Pacific Railroad Company, the Great Northern,
+
fact is, the coal
and the Pacific Coast Steamship Company. They are large users of
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deposits are so great that it does not pay to work  
coal, and nearly all of them have gone into the coal business, because
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them, except they have a
they wish to make the profit.
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guaranteed channel for their trade. Nearly all the
The CHAIRMAN. AS the mines are worked deeper does the quality of
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coal mines are owned or
the coal improve?
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controlled by large corporations, such as the Southern  
Mr. SIMPSON. That is the general belief. Of course, where coal
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Pacific Railroad
deposits run, as you might say, along the surface, they do not increase;
+
Company, the Union Pacific Railroad Company, the  
they are rarely worked; they do not bother with them.
+
Northern Pacific Railroad
The CHAIRMAN. What was to be the tonnage of the ships that you
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Company, the Great Northern, and the Pacific Coast  
were to send out on this line?
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Steamship Company. They
Mr. SIMPSON. About 3,000 gross.
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are large users of coal, and nearly all of them have  
The CHAIRMAN. How much of that would be occupied in carrying
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gone into the coal
fuel to and from Honolulu 1
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business, because they wish to make the profit.
Mr. SIMPSON. DO you mean for the use of the ship ?
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The CHAIRMAN. Yes.
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The CHAIRMAN. As the mines are worked deeper does the  
Mr. SIMPSON. We figured that we would put in 1,000 tons of coal.
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quality of the coal
The CHAIRMAN. That would leave how much room for freight—
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improve?  
about 1,000 to 1,200 tons ?
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Mr. SIMPSON. Yes.
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Mr. SIMPSON. That is the general belief. Of course,  
The CHAIRMAN. About one-half your cargo would consist of fuel for
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where coal deposits
the ship ?
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run, as you might say, along the surface, they do not  
Mr. SIMPSON. The size of ship we proposed to operate.
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increase; they are
The CHAIRMAN. That would be still greater on a smaller ship ?
+
rarely worked; they do not bother with them.
Mr. SIMPSON. The proportion would be still greater.
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The CHAIRMAN. SO that, in making a voyage in a steamship from
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The CHAIRMAN. What was to be the tonnage of the ships  
Puget Sound to Honolulu and return, you would make the calculation
+
that you were to send
that one-half your space in going out to Honolulu and one-fourth of it
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out on this line?  
returning would be occupied by fuel ?
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Mr. SIMPSON. In a general way; yes.
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Mr. SIMPSON. About 3,000 gross.
The CHAIKMAN. HOW would the cost of coal, if you had to purchase
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it in Honolulu, compare with what you would have to give for it, say,
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The CHAIRMAN. How much of that would be occupied in  
in Victoria?
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carrying fuel to and
Mr. SIMPSON. A good steam coal sold by the dealers in Honolulu
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from Honolulu?
would cost us $14 to $21 a ton, according to the man's ability to make
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a trade with those fellows. But that is a contingency we would not
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Mr. SIMPSON. Do you mean for the use of the ship?
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. Yes.
 +
 
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Mr. SIMPSON. We figured that we would put in 1,000  
 +
tons of coal.
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. That would leave how much room for  
 +
freight---- about 1,000 to
 +
1,200 tons?  
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. Yes.  
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. About one-half your cargo would consist  
 +
of fuel for the ship?
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. The size of ship we proposed to operate.
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. That would be still greater on a  
 +
smaller ship?
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. The proportion would be still greater.
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. So that, in making a voyage in a  
 +
steamship from Puget Sound
 +
to Honolulu and return, you would make the calculation  
 +
that one-half your
 +
space in going out to Honolulu and one-fourth of it  
 +
returning would be
 +
occupied by fuel?  
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. In a general way; yes.
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. How would the cost of coal, if you had  
 +
to purchase it in
 +
Honolulu, compare with what you would have to give for  
 +
it, say, in Victoria?
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. A good steam coal sold by the dealers in  
 +
Honolulu would cost
 +
us $14 to $21 a ton, according to the man's ability to  
 +
make a trade with
 +
those fellows. But that is a contingency we would not  
 
meet?
 
meet?
The CHAIRMAN. What did it cost in Victoria?
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Mr. SIMPSON. The best coal that we could put on at Victoria would
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The CHAIRMAN. What did it cost in Victoria?
cost us $3.50 a ton.
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The CHAIRMAN. In both cases do you mean on board ship?
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Mr. SIMPSON. The best coal that we could put on at  
Mr. SIMPSON. Alongside the ship, on a lighter. The Boslyn coal
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Victoria would cost us
would cost us a trifle more than that; and there is another still nearer
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$3.50 a ton.  
the coast, known as the South Prairie coal, which carries a high proportion
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of steam properties. But it is a small mine, and we could not
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The CHAIRMAN. In both cases do you mean on board  
probably get very much of it. If we could get any we would put that
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ship?
coal on board the ship from coal bunkers at about $3 a ton. Do you
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want the coal proposition of the Pacific Ocean?
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Mr. SIMPSON. Alongside the ship, on a lighter. The  
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Roslyn coal would cost
The CHAIRMAN. I want to know what acquaintance you have with
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us a trifle more than that; and there is another still  
steam communication between the eastern and western shores of the
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nearer the coast,
Pacific Ocean. I want to know generally what your acquaintance
+
known as the South Prairie coal, which carries a high  
with the subject is.
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proportion of steam
Mr. SIMPSON. The way it is operated now is by two lines of ships
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properties. But it is a small mine, and we could not  
from San Francisco to China and Japan, making Yokohama the port of
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probably get very much
entry, making one line from San Francisco to Australia, stopping at
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of it.   If we could get any we would put that coal on  
Honolulu, Samoa, Apia, New Zealand, and Sidney; and a line of ships
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board the ship from
to Vancouver, British Columbia, to China and Japan, operated by the
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coal bunkers at about $3 a ton.
Canadian Steamship Company, and also under subsidy from the English
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Government and Canadian Government—heavy subsidies, too—
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Do you want the coal proposition of the Pacific Ocean?
and a line of steamships from Tacoma to Yokohama and Hongkong.
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The CHAIRMAN. Have you ever had any business connection with
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any of the trans-Pacific lines?
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Mr. SIMPSON. I have imported a few goods, but nothing of any
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The CHAIRMAN. I want to know what acquaintance you  
importance. I have never been employed by any of them.
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have with steam
The CHAIRMAN. AS a rule, what is the tonnage of ships that cross
+
communication between the eastern and western shores  
the Pacific Ocean?
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of the Pacific Ocean.
Mr. SIMPSON. Ships running from San Francisco to Yokahoma, on
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I want to know generally what your acquaintance with
the Oriental ami Occidental line, average from 4,000 to 5,000 gross
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the subject is.
tonnage. On the Pacific Mail, operating between the same points,
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they run from 3,000 to 5,000. On the Spreckles line, between San
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Mr. SIMPSON. The way it is operated now is by two  
Francisco and Australia, they run about 5,0<:0 tons, and they have one
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lines of ships from San
.ship that runs only between San Francisco and Honolulu, 3,500 tons.
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Francisco to China and Japan, making Yokohama the port  
One of the ships of the Canadian Pacific Eailroad Company, operating
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of entry, making one
between Vancouver, China, and Japnn, the Empress of India, is about
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line from San Francisco to Australia, stopping at  
14,000 gross tons, and the ships running between Vancouver and
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Honolulu, Samoa, Apia, New
Australia on the Canadian Pacific line are about 5,000 gross tons, and
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Zealand, and Sidney; and a line of ships to Vancouver,  
those between Tacoma and China and Japan are from 3,000 tons to
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British Columbia, to
5,5( i0 tons.
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China and Japan, operated by the Canadian Steamship  
The CHAIRMAN. Would all these ships- on leaving the American
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Company, and also under
coast take coal for the entire voyage across the Pacific Ocean ?
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subsidy from the English Government and Canadian  
Mr. SIMPSON. That is according to circumstances. Possibly I can
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Government---- heavy subsidies,
give you full information in reference to that subject. The ships running
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too---- and a line of steamships from Tacoma to Yokohama  
from San Francisco to Yokahoma, as a rule, only carry enough
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and Hong Kong.
coal to take them to China and Japan, except the coal market in Yokahoma
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for Hongkong is such as to to warrant them in carrying coal
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The CHAIRMAN. Have you ever had any business  
from San Francisco, provided they have plenty of space to carry it.
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connection with any of the
They usually take from San Francisco a coal supply for twenty days.
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trans-Pacific lines?
The ship going from San Francisco to Yokahoma takes about sixteen
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days out and about fourteen days to return, and they consume in round
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Mr. SIMPSON. I have imported a few goods, but nothing  
numbers from 40 to 50 tons of coal per day. That coal costs them in
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of any importance. I
San Francisco from $6.50 to $7.50 per ton, and they purchase whichever
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have never been employed by any of them.
coal is most advantageous to them in price and qualtity. Coal is taken
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to Australia from San Francisco, from England, and from the Pacific
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The CHAIRMAN. As a rule, what is the tonnage of ships  
northwest coast. The prices are of various kinds, averaging about the
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that cross the
same; that is, for some coals. Of course, cannel coal for stove or grate
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Pacific Ocean?  
purposes from the English mines runs higher. The manner in which
+
 
that coal is taken from San Francisco is by the operation of established
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Mr. SIMPSON. Ships running from San Francisco to  
lines of colliers between San Francisco and the mines of the Pacific
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Yokahoma, on the Oriental
northwest by ships going from England to San Francisco or points on
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and Occidental line, average from 4,000 to 5,000 gross  
the Pacific coast, bringing coal in ballast, and by ships carrying lumber
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tonnage. On the
from the Pacific northwest to Australia and securing a return cargo of
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Pacific Mail, operating between the same points, they
coal.
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run from 3,000 to
The CHAIRMAN. IS that a large trade?
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5,000. On the Spreckles line, between San Francisco
Mr. SIMPSON. Quite a large trade. It is very rarely that a ship fiuds
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and Australia, they run
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about 5,000 tons, and they have one ship that runs  
 +
only between San
 +
Francisco and Honolulu, 3,500 tons. One of the ships  
 +
of the Canadian
 +
Pacific Railroad Company, operating between Vancouver,  
 +
China, and Japan, the
 +
''Empress of India'', is about 14,000 gross tons, and the  
 +
ships running between
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Vancouver and Australia on the Canadian Pacific line  
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are about 5,000 gross
 +
tons, and those between Tacoma and China and Japan are  
 +
from 3,000 tons to
 +
5,500 tons.  
 +
 
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The CHAIRMAN. Would all these ships on leaving the  
 +
American coast take
 +
coal for the entire voyage across the Pacific Ocean?
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. That is according to circumstances.
 +
Possibly I can give you
 +
full information in reference to that subject. The  
 +
ships running from San
 +
Francisco to Yokahoma, as a rule, only carry enough  
 +
coal to take them to
 +
China and Japan, except the coal market in Yokahoma  
 +
for Hong Kong is such as
 +
to to warrant them in carrying coal from San  
 +
Francisco, provided they have
 +
plenty of space to carry it. They usually take from  
 +
San Francisco a coal
 +
supply for twenty days. The ship going from San  
 +
Francisco to Yokahoma takes
 +
about sixteen days out and about fourteen days to  
 +
return, and they consume
 +
in round numbers from 40 to 50 tons of coal per day.
 +
That coal costs them
 +
in San Francisco from $6.50 to $7.50 per ton, and they  
 +
purchase whichever
 +
coal is most advantageous to them in price and  
 +
quality. Coal is taken to
 +
Australia from San Francisco, from England, and from  
 +
the Pacific northwest
 +
coast. The prices are of various kinds, averaging  
 +
about the same; that is,
 +
for some coals. Of course, cannel coal for stove or  
 +
grate purposes from the
 +
English mines runs higher. The manner in which that
 +
coal is taken from San
 +
Francisco is by the operation of established lines of  
 +
colliers between San
 +
Francisco and the mines of the Pacific northwest by  
 +
ships going from England
 +
to San Francisco or points on the Pacific coast,  
 +
bringing coal in ballast,
 +
and by ships carrying lumber from the Pacific  
 +
northwest to Australia and
 +
securing a return cargo of coal.
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. Is that a large trade?
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. Quite a large trade. It is very rarely  
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that a ship finds

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The CHAIRMAN. Have they many open mines in the State of Washington?

Mr. SIMPSON. Quite a number; I should say in the neighborhood of 40 or 50. But there are not many of them that are worked. The fact is, the coal deposits are so great that it does not pay to work them, except they have a guaranteed channel for their trade. Nearly all the coal mines are owned or controlled by large corporations, such as the Southern Pacific Railroad Company, the Union Pacific Railroad Company, the Northern Pacific Railroad Company, the Great Northern, and the Pacific Coast Steamship Company. They are large users of coal, and nearly all of them have gone into the coal business, because they wish to make the profit.

The CHAIRMAN. As the mines are worked deeper does the quality of the coal improve?

Mr. SIMPSON. That is the general belief. Of course, where coal deposits run, as you might say, along the surface, they do not increase; they are rarely worked; they do not bother with them.

The CHAIRMAN. What was to be the tonnage of the ships that you were to send out on this line?

Mr. SIMPSON. About 3,000 gross.

The CHAIRMAN. How much of that would be occupied in carrying fuel to and from Honolulu?

Mr. SIMPSON. Do you mean for the use of the ship?

The CHAIRMAN. Yes.

Mr. SIMPSON. We figured that we would put in 1,000 tons of coal.

The CHAIRMAN. That would leave how much room for freight---- about 1,000 to 1,200 tons?

Mr. SIMPSON. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. About one-half your cargo would consist of fuel for the ship?

Mr. SIMPSON. The size of ship we proposed to operate.

The CHAIRMAN. That would be still greater on a smaller ship?

Mr. SIMPSON. The proportion would be still greater.

The CHAIRMAN. So that, in making a voyage in a steamship from Puget Sound to Honolulu and return, you would make the calculation that one-half your space in going out to Honolulu and one-fourth of it returning would be occupied by fuel?

Mr. SIMPSON. In a general way; yes.

The CHAIRMAN. How would the cost of coal, if you had to purchase it in Honolulu, compare with what you would have to give for it, say, in Victoria?

Mr. SIMPSON. A good steam coal sold by the dealers in Honolulu would cost us $14 to $21 a ton, according to the man's ability to make a trade with those fellows. But that is a contingency we would not meet?

The CHAIRMAN. What did it cost in Victoria?

Mr. SIMPSON. The best coal that we could put on at Victoria would cost us $3.50 a ton.

The CHAIRMAN. In both cases do you mean on board ship?

Mr. SIMPSON. Alongside the ship, on a lighter. The Roslyn coal would cost us a trifle more than that; and there is another still nearer the coast, known as the South Prairie coal, which carries a high proportion of steam properties. But it is a small mine, and we could not probably get very much of it. If we could get any we would put that coal on board the ship from coal bunkers at about $3 a ton.

Do you want the coal proposition of the Pacific Ocean?

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The CHAIRMAN. I want to know what acquaintance you have with steam communication between the eastern and western shores of the Pacific Ocean. I want to know generally what your acquaintance with the subject is.

Mr. SIMPSON. The way it is operated now is by two lines of ships from San Francisco to China and Japan, making Yokohama the port of entry, making one line from San Francisco to Australia, stopping at Honolulu, Samoa, Apia, New Zealand, and Sidney; and a line of ships to Vancouver, British Columbia, to China and Japan, operated by the Canadian Steamship Company, and also under subsidy from the English Government and Canadian Government---- heavy subsidies, too---- and a line of steamships from Tacoma to Yokohama and Hong Kong.

The CHAIRMAN. Have you ever had any business connection with any of the trans-Pacific lines?

Mr. SIMPSON. I have imported a few goods, but nothing of any importance. I have never been employed by any of them.

The CHAIRMAN. As a rule, what is the tonnage of ships that cross the Pacific Ocean?

Mr. SIMPSON. Ships running from San Francisco to Yokahoma, on the Oriental and Occidental line, average from 4,000 to 5,000 gross tonnage. On the Pacific Mail, operating between the same points, they run from 3,000 to 5,000. On the Spreckles line, between San Francisco and Australia, they run about 5,000 tons, and they have one ship that runs only between San Francisco and Honolulu, 3,500 tons. One of the ships of the Canadian Pacific Railroad Company, operating between Vancouver, China, and Japan, the Empress of India, is about 14,000 gross tons, and the ships running between Vancouver and Australia on the Canadian Pacific line are about 5,000 gross tons, and those between Tacoma and China and Japan are from 3,000 tons to 5,500 tons.

The CHAIRMAN. Would all these ships on leaving the American coast take coal for the entire voyage across the Pacific Ocean?

Mr. SIMPSON. That is according to circumstances. Possibly I can give you full information in reference to that subject. The ships running from San Francisco to Yokahoma, as a rule, only carry enough coal to take them to China and Japan, except the coal market in Yokahoma for Hong Kong is such as to to warrant them in carrying coal from San Francisco, provided they have plenty of space to carry it. They usually take from San Francisco a coal supply for twenty days. The ship going from San Francisco to Yokahoma takes about sixteen days out and about fourteen days to return, and they consume in round numbers from 40 to 50 tons of coal per day. That coal costs them in San Francisco from $6.50 to $7.50 per ton, and they purchase whichever coal is most advantageous to them in price and quality. Coal is taken to Australia from San Francisco, from England, and from the Pacific northwest coast. The prices are of various kinds, averaging about the same; that is, for some coals. Of course, cannel coal for stove or grate purposes from the English mines runs higher. The manner in which that coal is taken from San Francisco is by the operation of established lines of colliers between San Francisco and the mines of the Pacific northwest by ships going from England to San Francisco or points on the Pacific coast, bringing coal in ballast, and by ships carrying lumber from the Pacific northwest to Australia and securing a return cargo of coal.

The CHAIRMAN. Is that a large trade?

Mr. SIMPSON. Quite a large trade. It is very rarely that a ship finds