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762 HAWAIIAN ISLANDS.
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of Hawaii, so as to favor either the Queen's form of government or
 
of Hawaii, so as to favor either the Queen's form of government or
 
the then existing Government—the Dole regime?
 
the then existing Government—the Dole regime?
Mr. BLOUNT. My idea about it was, the effect would be to impress
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} My idea about it was, the effect would be to impress
 
both sides with the belief that I was not going to participate in their
 
both sides with the belief that I was not going to participate in their
 
local affairs.
 
local affairs.
The CHAIRMAN. Was that your intention?
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Mr. BLOUNT. Such was my intention. I did not think the flagtroops
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Was that your intention?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Such was my intention. I did not think the flag troops
 
ought to be there. It did not occur to me just; it did not occur
 
ought to be there. It did not occur to me just; it did not occur
 
to me that investigation could go on with them there.
 
to me that investigation could go on with them there.
Senator GRAY. I understand the chairman's question to be, did you
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} I understand the chairman's question to be, did you
 
intend the removal of those troops to give intimation to either side of
 
intend the removal of those troops to give intimation to either side of
 
your intention toward them?
 
your intention toward them?
Mr. BLOUNT. I did not. I thought that it would be an intimation
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I did not. I thought that it would be an intimation
 
to both sides that I did not come down there to do anything with their
 
to both sides that I did not come down there to do anything with their
 
controversies.
 
controversies.
The CHAIRMAN. Your position was one of strict neutrality between
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Your position was one of strict neutrality between
 
them?
 
them?
Mr. BLOUNT. AS much so as I could possibly make it. I never went
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} As much so as I could possibly make it. I never went
 
into the house of a royalist but once while I was in Honolulu. I called
 
into the house of a royalist but once while I was in Honolulu. I called
 
on Mr. J. O. A. Carter with my family, with Mrs. Blount, just before
 
on Mr. J. O. A. Carter with my family, with Mrs. Blount, just before
 
leaving.
 
leaving.
Senator SHERMAN. He was the former minister?
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Mr. BLOUNT. He was a brother of the former minister.
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Senator {{sc|Sherman.}} He was the former minister?
Senator CRAY. I think the former minister is dead.
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Mr. BLOUNT. He is. He is the brother of the former minister, on
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} He was a brother of the former minister.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} I think the former minister is dead.
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} He is. He is the brother of the former minister, on
 
whom I called. I called on President Dole, the attorney-general, the
 
whom I called. I called on President Dole, the attorney-general, the
 
minister of the interior, the vice-president—the persons connected with
 
minister of the interior, the vice-president—the persons connected with
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to general intercourse with the people. They were officials of the Government,
 
to general intercourse with the people. They were officials of the Government,
 
and I announced to both sides that I felt bound to do that.
 
and I announced to both sides that I felt bound to do that.
The CHAIRMAN. With the exception of the Queen and cabinet and
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} With the exception of the Queen and cabinet and
 
the commander of the military forces, and of the civil forces, called the
 
the commander of the military forces, and of the civil forces, called the
police, was there any subslantial change in the personnel of the Government
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police, was there any substantial change in the personnel of the Government
from what it was formerly, when you got to Hawaii f
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from what it was formerly, when you got to Hawaii?
Mr. BLOUNT. AS to the personnel?
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The CHAIRMAN. Yes.
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} As to the personnel?
Mr. BLOUNT. Well, the
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Senator BUTLER. AS I understand, you arrived there after the
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Yes.
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Well, the
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Senator {{sc|Butler.}} As I understand, you arrived there after the
 
Provisional Government was established?
 
Provisional Government was established?
Mr. BLOUNT. Yes.
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Senator BUTLER. YOU have no information as to the personnel of
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Yes.
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Senator {{sc|Butler.}} You have no information as to the personnel of
 
the Queen's government?
 
the Queen's government?
The CHAIRMAN. My question relates to what Mr. Blount learned as
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} My question relates to what Mr. Blount learned as
 
to what was the composition of the former government, as to its
 
to what was the composition of the former government, as to its
 
personnel.
 
personnel.
Mr. BLOUNT. I think the police force as a rule was left untouched.
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I think the police force as a rule was left untouched.
 
I never went into it particularly.
 
I never went into it particularly.
The CHAIRMAN. The army was disbanded—the Queen's army, body
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} The army was disbanded—the Queen's army, body
 
guard.
 
guard.
Mr. BLOUNT. Oh, yes.
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The CHAIRMAN. DO you remember whether any body guard was
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Oh, yes.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Do you remember whether any body guard was
 
reserved to her for her protection ?
 
reserved to her for her protection ?
Mr. BLOUNT. It was not so when I was there.
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The CHAIRMAN. In other respects the Government went on under
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} It was not so when I was there.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} In other respects the Government went on under
 
existing laws, saving, of course, the revolution which had taken place
 
existing laws, saving, of course, the revolution which had taken place
 
in the head of the Government?
 
in the head of the Government?
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Mr. B OUNT. The information on that point appears in the correspondence
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Mr. {{sc|B ount.}} The information on that point appears in the correspondence
 
between the Provisional Government and the Government
 
between the Provisional Government and the Government
here, and I would t;.ke it as the highest evidence.
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here, and I would take it as the highest evidence.
The CHAIRMAN. That conforms to your own observations?
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Mr. BLOUNT. Yes, as to the character of the Government set up.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} That conforms to your own observations?
The CHAIRMAN. I suppose you ascertained that during the decade
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Yes, as to the character of the Government set up.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} I suppose you ascertained that during the decade
 
previously to this revolution there had been a great many changes in
 
previously to this revolution there had been a great many changes in
 
the political attitude of a great many leading men in Hawaii?
 
the political attitude of a great many leading men in Hawaii?
Mr. BLOUNT. Oh, yes.
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The CHAIRMAN. Politics had been a pretty lively subject in Hawaii
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Oh, yes.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Politics had been a pretty lively subject in Hawaii
 
some years before you got there?
 
some years before you got there?
Mr. BLOUNT. Everything is little down there. It was lively for them
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Everything is little down there. It was lively for them
 
in noise.
 
in noise.
Senator BUTLER. It would not be considered very lively in Georgia,
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Senator {{sc|Butler.}} It would not be considered very lively in Georgia,
 
New York, or Ohio, I suspect?
 
New York, or Ohio, I suspect?
Mr. BLOUNT. Oh, no.
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The CHAIRMAN. Would you say that the people there are given to
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Oh, no.
participating in i^olitical agitations?
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Mr. BLOUNT. I would say more so than in Alabama. They get them
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Would you say that the people there are given to
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participating in political agitations?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I would say more so than in Alabama. They get them
 
pretty well worked up.
 
pretty well worked up.
The CHAIRMAN. Meeting in conventions, public meetings, and having
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Meeting in conventions, public meetings, and having
 
their say?
 
their say?
Mr. BLOUNT. Oh, yes. I want to say that so far as that matter is
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Concerned I took no testimony.
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Oh, yes. I want to say that so far as that matter is
The CHAIRMAN. I am getting your impressions aside from the testimony
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concerned I took no testimony.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} I am getting your impressions aside from the testimony
 
you took.
 
you took.
Mr. BLOUNT. Yes.
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The CHAIRMAN. YOU would say, I suppose, that there was a pretty
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Yes.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} You would say, I suppose, that there was a pretty
 
large feeling on the part of the press in Hawaii?
 
large feeling on the part of the press in Hawaii?
Mr. BLOUNT. Oh, yes. You would take up the papers there and
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Oh, yes. You would take up the papers there and
 
read one side and the other where they would make the most villifying
 
read one side and the other where they would make the most villifying
 
personal attacks that you could conceive of. I would learn when these
 
personal attacks that you could conceive of. I would learn when these
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Mr. Dole about it; I said, "I do not see how you can keep the peace
 
Mr. Dole about it; I said, "I do not see how you can keep the peace
 
with the people attacking each other this way."
 
with the people attacking each other this way."
He said, " That does not amount to anything ; they are friendly when
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He said, "That does not amount to anything; they are friendly when
 
they meet. My attention was directed to that because I was apprehensive
 
they meet. My attention was directed to that because I was apprehensive
 
from seeing these articles that some disturbance would come,
 
from seeing these articles that some disturbance would come,
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In this way I got information of both sides. I saw that there would
 
In this way I got information of both sides. I saw that there would
 
be no trouble.
 
be no trouble.
The CHAIRMAN. We have gone through a general view of this matter;
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} We have gone through a general view of this matter;
 
I will turn Mr. Blount over to any one who wishes to ask any questions.
 
I will turn Mr. Blount over to any one who wishes to ask any questions.
Senator DOLPH. I wish to ask a few questions.
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Senator GRAY. NO questions occur to me now.
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} I wish to ask a few questions.
Senator DOLPH. You say that Secretary Foster showed you a letter
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} No questions occur to me now.
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} You say that Secretary Foster showed you a letter
 
from Minister Stevens, written in November, 1892?
 
from Minister Stevens, written in November, 1892?
Mr. BLOUNT. Yes.
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Senator DOLPH. Concerning affairs in the islands?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Yes.
Mr. BLOUNT. Yes.
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Senator DOLPH. That letter contains a pretty full account of the
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Concerning affairs in the islands?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Yes.
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} That letter contains a pretty full account of the
 
political situation there?
 
political situation there?

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of Hawaii, so as to favor either the Queen's form of government or the then existing Government—the Dole regime?

Mr. Blount. My idea about it was, the effect would be to impress both sides with the belief that I was not going to participate in their local affairs.

The Chairman. Was that your intention?

Mr. Blount. Such was my intention. I did not think the flag troops ought to be there. It did not occur to me just; it did not occur to me that investigation could go on with them there.

Senator Gray. I understand the chairman's question to be, did you intend the removal of those troops to give intimation to either side of your intention toward them?

Mr. Blount. I did not. I thought that it would be an intimation to both sides that I did not come down there to do anything with their controversies.

The Chairman. Your position was one of strict neutrality between them?

Mr. Blount. As much so as I could possibly make it. I never went into the house of a royalist but once while I was in Honolulu. I called on Mr. J. O. A. Carter with my family, with Mrs. Blount, just before leaving.

Senator Sherman. He was the former minister?

Mr. Blount. He was a brother of the former minister.

Senator Gray. I think the former minister is dead.

Mr. Blount. He is. He is the brother of the former minister, on whom I called. I called on President Dole, the attorney-general, the minister of the interior, the vice-president—the persons connected with the Government. I felt that I could do that without subjecting myself to general intercourse with the people. They were officials of the Government, and I announced to both sides that I felt bound to do that.

The Chairman. With the exception of the Queen and cabinet and the commander of the military forces, and of the civil forces, called the police, was there any substantial change in the personnel of the Government from what it was formerly, when you got to Hawaii?

Mr. Blount. As to the personnel?

The Chairman. Yes.

Mr. Blount. Well, the

Senator Butler. As I understand, you arrived there after the Provisional Government was established?

Mr. Blount. Yes.

Senator Butler. You have no information as to the personnel of the Queen's government?

The Chairman. My question relates to what Mr. Blount learned as to what was the composition of the former government, as to its personnel.

Mr. Blount. I think the police force as a rule was left untouched. I never went into it particularly.

The Chairman. The army was disbanded—the Queen's army, body guard.

Mr. Blount. Oh, yes.

The Chairman. Do you remember whether any body guard was reserved to her for her protection ?

Mr. Blount. It was not so when I was there.

The Chairman. In other respects the Government went on under existing laws, saving, of course, the revolution which had taken place in the head of the Government?

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Mr. B ount. The information on that point appears in the correspondence between the Provisional Government and the Government here, and I would take it as the highest evidence.

The Chairman. That conforms to your own observations?

Mr. Blount. Yes, as to the character of the Government set up.

The Chairman. I suppose you ascertained that during the decade previously to this revolution there had been a great many changes in the political attitude of a great many leading men in Hawaii?

Mr. Blount. Oh, yes.

The Chairman. Politics had been a pretty lively subject in Hawaii some years before you got there?

Mr. Blount. Everything is little down there. It was lively for them in noise.

Senator Butler. It would not be considered very lively in Georgia, New York, or Ohio, I suspect?

Mr. Blount. Oh, no.

The Chairman. Would you say that the people there are given to participating in political agitations?

Mr. Blount. I would say more so than in Alabama. They get them pretty well worked up.

The Chairman. Meeting in conventions, public meetings, and having their say?

Mr. Blount. Oh, yes. I want to say that so far as that matter is concerned I took no testimony.

The Chairman. I am getting your impressions aside from the testimony you took.

Mr. Blount. Yes.

The Chairman. You would say, I suppose, that there was a pretty large feeling on the part of the press in Hawaii?

Mr. Blount. Oh, yes. You would take up the papers there and read one side and the other where they would make the most villifying personal attacks that you could conceive of. I would learn when these gentlemen would meet that it was just a good joke. I spoke once to Mr. Dole about it; I said, "I do not see how you can keep the peace with the people attacking each other this way."

He said, "That does not amount to anything; they are friendly when they meet. My attention was directed to that because I was apprehensive from seeing these articles that some disturbance would come, and I always talked very freely to the Government about the public peace. I was doing no harm on that ground; they seemed to want to talk with me; they came to me when there was fear of disturbance, and I would not communicate it to the other side. Then the other side would come, and I did not mention what they said to the Government. In this way I got information of both sides. I saw that there would be no trouble.

The Chairman. We have gone through a general view of this matter; I will turn Mr. Blount over to any one who wishes to ask any questions.

Senator Dolph. I wish to ask a few questions.

Senator Gray. No questions occur to me now.

Senator Dolph. You say that Secretary Foster showed you a letter from Minister Stevens, written in November, 1892?

Mr. Blount. Yes.

Senator Dolph. Concerning affairs in the islands?

Mr. Blount. Yes.

Senator Dolph. That letter contains a pretty full account of the political situation there?