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Mr. BLOUNT. That is amongst your papers.
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} That is amongst your papers.
Senator DOLPH. I saw the letter at the time. I suppose it was shown
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} I saw the letter at the time. I suppose it was shown
 
to you in confidence because you were on the Committee on Foreign
 
to you in confidence because you were on the Committee on Foreign
 
Relations of the House.
 
Relations of the House.
Mr. BLOUNT. Very largely so.
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Senator DOLPH. Did you form any opinion at that time about
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Very largely so.
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Did you form any opinion at that time about
 
Hawaiian affairs and as to the fitness of Mr. Stevens for the position
 
Hawaiian affairs and as to the fitness of Mr. Stevens for the position
 
he occupied?
 
he occupied?
Mr. BLOUNT. I did not. I did not like the looks of the letter; but
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I think they did not make much impression on me. I went oft' home;
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I did not. I did not like the looks of the letter; but
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I think they did not make much impression on me. I went off home;
 
I did not think much about it.
 
I did not think much about it.
The CHAIRMAN. YOU had then declared your determination of retiring
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} You had then declared your determination of retiring
 
from Congress?
 
from Congress?
Mr. BLOUNT. I did not intend to hold any place when I went away
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I did not intend to hold any place when I went away
 
from here. I did not even pay my respects to the President.
 
from here. I did not even pay my respects to the President.
The CHAIRMAN. You had determined to retire from public life?
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Mr. BLOUNT. Oh, yes.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} You had determined to retire from public life?
Senator DOLPH. You did not consider there was any impropriety in
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such a letter coining from a minister of the United States?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Oh, yes.
Mr. BLOUNT. No. Perhaps I misunderstood what you said.
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Senator CRAY. Mr. Blount did not speak about the impropriety; he
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} You did not consider there was any impropriety in
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such a letter coming from a minister of the United States?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} No. Perhaps I misunderstood what you said.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Mr. Blount did not speak about the impropriety; he
 
spoke of the impression.
 
spoke of the impression.
Mr. BLOUNT. Oh, I rather had an impression—it was a vague one—
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Oh, I rather had an impression—it was a vague one—
 
that it manifested some passing beyond the proprieties for an American
 
that it manifested some passing beyond the proprieties for an American
 
representative in a foreign country.
 
representative in a foreign country.
Senator DOLPH. That was not long before the news arrived in the
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} That was not long before the news arrived in the
 
United States in reference to the revolution in Hawaii, was it?
 
United States in reference to the revolution in Hawaii, was it?
Mr. BLOUNT. My impression is that the treaty had been negotiated
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} My impression is that the treaty had been negotiated
 
at the time. The Secretary of State sent for me and expressed a desire
 
at the time. The Secretary of State sent for me and expressed a desire
 
that I would endeavor to bring the Democratic party to the point
 
that I would endeavor to bring the Democratic party to the point
 
of supporting the ratification of the treaty and acceptance of annexation.
 
of supporting the ratification of the treaty and acceptance of annexation.
Senator DOLPH. Then you saw that letter after the news of the revolution
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Then you saw that letter after the news of the revolution
 
had arrived here?
 
had arrived here?
Mr. BLOUNT. That is my impression. I think I am correct.
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Senator DOLPH. Did you express any opinion concerning the revolution,
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} That is my impression. I think I am correct.
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Did you express any opinion concerning the revolution,
 
or the part which it was alleged had been taken by Minister Stevens
 
or the part which it was alleged had been taken by Minister Stevens
 
in connection with the same, shortly after the news arrived and while
 
in connection with the same, shortly after the news arrived and while
 
Congress was still in session?
 
Congress was still in session?
Mr. BLOUNT. My impression is that I avoided the subject. I recollect
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} My impression is that I avoided the subject. I recollect
 
saying once to a newspaper correspondent when the announcement
 
saying once to a newspaper correspondent when the announcement
 
was made of the establishing of an American protectorate by the American
 
was made of the establishing of an American protectorate by the American
 
minister that "it looked a little lively." I did not think much
 
minister that "it looked a little lively." I did not think much
 
about it at the time; I did not care much about it; I was going away.
 
about it at the time; I did not care much about it; I was going away.
Senator DOLPH. Have you stated what the expression was you used?
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Mr. BLOUNT. I said, " I t looked a little lively." That I believe to
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Have you stated what the expression was you used?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I said, " It looked a little lively." That I believe to
 
be it.
 
be it.
Senator DOLPH. Did you express any opinion concerning the landing
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Did you express any opinion concerning the landing
 
of the naval forces upon the island?
 
of the naval forces upon the island?
Mr. BLOUNT. N O. I say that because my recollection of it is that I
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} No. I say that because my recollection of it is that I
 
did not know anything about the particulars at all.
 
did not know anything about the particulars at all.
Senator DOLPH. Did you form any opinion shortly after the receipt
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Did you form any opinion shortly after the receipt
 
of the news of the revolution, or after the treaty had been negotiated
 
of the news of the revolution, or after the treaty had been negotiated
 
and sent to Congress, concerning the question of annexation?
 
and sent to Congress, concerning the question of annexation?
Mr. BLOUNT. I did not form any opinion.
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Senator DOLPH. Or express any ?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I did not form any opinion.
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Mr. BLOUNT. I had some apprehension that there might have been
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Or express any?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I had some apprehension that there might have been
 
something imprudent done there; I had no opinion.
 
something imprudent done there; I had no opinion.
Senator DOLPH. Did you not have conversations with various persons
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Did you not have conversations with various persons
 
about the affair?
 
about the affair?
Mr. BLOUNT. Very little. I was authorized to show that'paper. It
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was given to me in manuscript—the letter of November. 1 was authorized
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Very little. I was authorized to show that paper. It
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was given to me in manuscript—the letter of November. I was authorized
 
to show it to some persons, in my discretion.
 
to show it to some persons, in my discretion.
Senator DOLPH. The letter of Minister Stevens to the Secretary of
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} The letter of Minister Stevens to the Secretary of
 
State?
 
State?
Mr. BLOUNT. Yes.
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Senator DOLPH. And you were furnished a copy?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Yes.
Mr. BLOUNT. Certainly, with a view of conferring with certain persons.
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Senator DOLPH. Did you show it to members of the House?
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} And you were furnished a copy?
Mr. BLOUNT. I showed it to Governor MeCreary and, possibly, Mr.
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Certainly, with a view of conferring with certain persons.
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Did you show it to members of the House?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I showed it to Governor MeCreary and, possibly, Mr.
 
Hitt, and possibly some others. I do not know now.
 
Hitt, and possibly some others. I do not know now.
Senator DOILPH. Did you have any conversations with those people
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Did you have any conversations with those people
 
about the subject of the annexation of Hawaii?
 
about the subject of the annexation of Hawaii?
Mr. BLOUNT. I can not remember that I did, other than showing
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I can not remember that I did, other than showing
 
that paper.
 
that paper.
Senator DOLPH. Did you undertake to secure the approval of your
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Did you undertake to secure the approval of your
 
colleagues on that committee or in the House of annexation?
 
colleagues on that committee or in the House of annexation?
Mr. BLOUNT. NO.
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Senator DOLPH. Did you express any opinion in favor of annexation?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} No.
Mr. BLOUNT. I think not.
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Senator DOLPH. Or against it?
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Did you express any opinion in favor of annexation?
Mr. BLOUNT. I think not.
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Senator DOLPH. YOU think yoa simply handed that persons named,
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I think not.
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Or against it?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I think not.
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} You think you simply handed that persons named,
 
and possibly others, without any conversation or suggestions with
 
and possibly others, without any conversation or suggestions with
 
regard to that?
 
regard to that?
Mr. BLOUNT. Oh, I have not said that.
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Senator DOLPH. That is what I am trying to get at.
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Oh, I have not said that.
The CHAIRMAN. Allow me to ask if that is the letter to which you
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refer, and of which Mr. Poster gave you a copy (referring to Executive
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} That is what I am trying to get at.
Document of the House of Bepresentatives No. 74, page 111 of the
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Allow me to ask if that is the letter to which you
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refer, and of which Mr. Foster gave you a copy (referring to Executive
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Document of the House of Representatives No. 74, page 111 of the
 
Report.)
 
Report.)
Mr. BLOUNT. I think it is.
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Senator DOLPH. What did you say to Mr. Foster you would do concerning
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I think it is.
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} What did you say to Mr. Foster you would do concerning
 
his request?
 
his request?
Mr. BLOUNT. I did not say to Mr. Foster that I would do anything.
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I did not say to Mr. Foster that I would do anything.
 
He showed me that letter and expressed a desire that I would endeavor
 
He showed me that letter and expressed a desire that I would endeavor
 
to bring the Democratic party to the support of the annexation of the
 
to bring the Democratic party to the support of the annexation of the
 
Hawaiian Islands.
 
Hawaiian Islands.
Senator DOLPH. Mr. Foster gave you a copy of that letter and made
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} Mr. Foster gave you a copy of that letter and made
 
that request, and you made no response to it?
 
that request, and you made no response to it?
Mr. BLOUNT. Oh, yes, I did.
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Senator DOLPH. I would like to know what you said to him.
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Oh, yes, I did.
Mr. BLOUNT. I said to him, " I do not know anything about it." The
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} I would like to know what you said to him.
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I said to him, "I do not know anything about it." The
 
paper was handed to me. He did not expect any answer. The whole
 
paper was handed to me. He did not expect any answer. The whole
 
thing was new to me.
 
thing was new to me.
Senator DOLPH. You did not read it in Mr. Foster's presence?
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Mr. BLOUNT. NO. He handed it to me to be read, and I said, "You
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} You did not read it in Mr. Foster's presence?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} No. He handed it to me to be read, and I said, "You
 
have given me this paper; I can not converse with the Democrats without
 
have given me this paper; I can not converse with the Democrats without
this paper." I had not seen the paper. Mr. Foster said, " I will
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this paper." I had not seen the paper. Mr. Foster said, "I will
 
leave that to your discretion."
 
leave that to your discretion."
Senator DOLPH. I am asking if you expressed any opinion in the
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Senator {{sc|Dolph.}} I am asking if you expressed any opinion in the

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Mr. Blount. That is amongst your papers.

Senator Dolph. I saw the letter at the time. I suppose it was shown to you in confidence because you were on the Committee on Foreign Relations of the House.

Mr. Blount. Very largely so.

Senator Dolph. Did you form any opinion at that time about Hawaiian affairs and as to the fitness of Mr. Stevens for the position he occupied?

Mr. Blount. I did not. I did not like the looks of the letter; but I think they did not make much impression on me. I went off home; I did not think much about it.

The Chairman. You had then declared your determination of retiring from Congress?

Mr. Blount. I did not intend to hold any place when I went away from here. I did not even pay my respects to the President.

The Chairman. You had determined to retire from public life?

Mr. Blount. Oh, yes.

Senator Dolph. You did not consider there was any impropriety in such a letter coming from a minister of the United States?

Mr. Blount. No. Perhaps I misunderstood what you said.

Senator Gray. Mr. Blount did not speak about the impropriety; he spoke of the impression.

Mr. Blount. Oh, I rather had an impression—it was a vague one— that it manifested some passing beyond the proprieties for an American representative in a foreign country.

Senator Dolph. That was not long before the news arrived in the United States in reference to the revolution in Hawaii, was it?

Mr. Blount. My impression is that the treaty had been negotiated at the time. The Secretary of State sent for me and expressed a desire that I would endeavor to bring the Democratic party to the point of supporting the ratification of the treaty and acceptance of annexation.

Senator Dolph. Then you saw that letter after the news of the revolution had arrived here?

Mr. Blount. That is my impression. I think I am correct.

Senator Dolph. Did you express any opinion concerning the revolution, or the part which it was alleged had been taken by Minister Stevens in connection with the same, shortly after the news arrived and while Congress was still in session?

Mr. Blount. My impression is that I avoided the subject. I recollect saying once to a newspaper correspondent when the announcement was made of the establishing of an American protectorate by the American minister that "it looked a little lively." I did not think much about it at the time; I did not care much about it; I was going away.

Senator Dolph. Have you stated what the expression was you used?

Mr. Blount. I said, " It looked a little lively." That I believe to be it.

Senator Dolph. Did you express any opinion concerning the landing of the naval forces upon the island?

Mr. Blount. No. I say that because my recollection of it is that I did not know anything about the particulars at all.

Senator Dolph. Did you form any opinion shortly after the receipt of the news of the revolution, or after the treaty had been negotiated and sent to Congress, concerning the question of annexation?

Mr. Blount. I did not form any opinion.

Senator Dolph. Or express any?

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Mr. Blount. I had some apprehension that there might have been something imprudent done there; I had no opinion.

Senator Dolph. Did you not have conversations with various persons about the affair?

Mr. Blount. Very little. I was authorized to show that paper. It was given to me in manuscript—the letter of November. I was authorized to show it to some persons, in my discretion.

Senator Dolph. The letter of Minister Stevens to the Secretary of State?

Mr. Blount. Yes.

Senator Dolph. And you were furnished a copy?

Mr. Blount. Certainly, with a view of conferring with certain persons.

Senator Dolph. Did you show it to members of the House?

Mr. Blount. I showed it to Governor MeCreary and, possibly, Mr. Hitt, and possibly some others. I do not know now.

Senator Dolph. Did you have any conversations with those people about the subject of the annexation of Hawaii?

Mr. Blount. I can not remember that I did, other than showing that paper.

Senator Dolph. Did you undertake to secure the approval of your colleagues on that committee or in the House of annexation?

Mr. Blount. No.

Senator Dolph. Did you express any opinion in favor of annexation?

Mr. Blount. I think not.

Senator Dolph. Or against it?

Mr. Blount. I think not.

Senator Dolph. You think you simply handed that persons named, and possibly others, without any conversation or suggestions with regard to that?

Mr. Blount. Oh, I have not said that.

Senator Dolph. That is what I am trying to get at.

The Chairman. Allow me to ask if that is the letter to which you refer, and of which Mr. Foster gave you a copy (referring to Executive Document of the House of Representatives No. 74, page 111 of the Report.)

Mr. Blount. I think it is.

Senator Dolph. What did you say to Mr. Foster you would do concerning his request?

Mr. Blount. I did not say to Mr. Foster that I would do anything. He showed me that letter and expressed a desire that I would endeavor to bring the Democratic party to the support of the annexation of the Hawaiian Islands.

Senator Dolph. Mr. Foster gave you a copy of that letter and made that request, and you made no response to it?

Mr. Blount. Oh, yes, I did.

Senator Dolph. I would like to know what you said to him.

Mr. Blount. I said to him, "I do not know anything about it." The paper was handed to me. He did not expect any answer. The whole thing was new to me.

Senator Dolph. You did not read it in Mr. Foster's presence?

Mr. Blount. No. He handed it to me to be read, and I said, "You have given me this paper; I can not converse with the Democrats without this paper." I had not seen the paper. Mr. Foster said, "I will leave that to your discretion."

Senator Dolph. I am asking if you expressed any opinion in the