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− | late to check this? | + | of her purpose, withdrawal of the new constitution, was too late to check this? |
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− | two speeches, and then went to the other. | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} I was at the first mass meeting and heard the first two speeches, and then went to the other. I think it was Mr. Young who spoke to the meeting. He said, "Can we trust her?" and the cry was "No," all over the hall. It was the large skating rink where the meeting was held. |
− | spoke to the meeting. He said, "Can we trust her?" and the cry was | + | |
− | " No," all over the hall. It was the large skating rink where the meeting | + | Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Are the proceedings and speeches of that meeting published in the papers? |
− | was held. | + | |
− | Senator | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} Yes; you have it in a pamphlet. |
− | published in the papers? | + | |
− | Mr. | + | Senator {{sc|Gray.}} In some document we have in print here there are extracts, what purport to be extracts from a paper in Honolulu, giving the proceedings of that meeting. Have you seen them? |
− | Senator | + | |
− | extracts, what purport to be extracts from a paper in Honolulu, giving | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} I have seen them; I presume they are correct. |
− | the proceedings of that meeting. Have you seen them? | + | |
− | Mr. | + | Senator {{sc|Butler.}} Is it your opinion that the lives and property of American citizens would have been put in jeopardy in the then state of feeling in Honolulu but for the United States marines? |
− | Senator | + | |
− | American citizens would have been put in jeopardy in the then state | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} I think there were reasons to apprehend that at the time. |
− | of feeling in Honolulu but for the United States marines? | + | |
− | Mr. | + | Senator {{sc|Butler.}} You say there were reasons to apprehend it? |
− | the time. | + | |
− | Senator | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} At the time, yes. Looking back on it now, I think probably the white people would have been strong enough to have protected themselves. But there was sufficient reason at the time. |
− | Mr. | + | |
− | probably the white people would have been strong enough to have protected | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} Was the apprehension based upon the fact that mobs in favor of the Crown might rise in hostile opposition to the opposing element, or was it based upon the apprehension that the transitory condition of the Government would let the evil characters loose upon the community—characters disposed to burn and mob? |
− | themselves. But there was sufficient reason at the time. | + | |
− | The | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} Rather the latter. The city was paralyzed. There was an interregnum in the law, in the authority on the part of the existing Government, and the new Government had not become organized, and there were warnings about incendiarism. I do not exactly like to use names. |
− | mobs in favor of the Crown might rise in hostile opposition to the opposing | + | |
− | element, or was it based upon the apprehension that the transitory | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} Do you mean of individuals? |
− | condition of the Government would let the evil characters loose | + | |
− | upon the community—characters disposed to burn and mob? | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} Yes. A white lady has told me that a half-white lady came to her and told her that natives were putting kerosene in bottles, and getting cloth, and explained how they would use it to set houses on fire by wrapping it around the posts, etc. |
− | Mr. | + | |
− | was an interregnum in the law, in the authority on the part of the | + | Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Did not the danger or apprehension of danger of which you speak originate in the fact that the revolutionary project had already been set on foot by this white element which afterward established a Provisional Government? I do not mean that they were dangerous characters, for I understand you perfectly that they were the better class; but that their activity and proclaimed intentions brought about the condition of things which made the danger. |
− | existing Government, and the new Government had not become organized, | + | |
− | and there were warnings about incendiarism. I do not exactly | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} I suppose if the community had quietly submitted on Saturday the danger would not have existed. |
− | like to use names. | + | |
− | The | + | Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Exactly. That made the danger, and that making the danger you think was the reason for the presence of the United States troops? |
− | Mr. | + | |
− | lady came to her and told her that natives were putting kerosene in bottles, | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} When the resistance became a fact, then, I understand you to say, the apprehensions of danger were not from mobs rising amongst the opposing political elements of the native people or others, but from the paralysis of authority there, which encouraged the licentious classes, the criminal classes, to exploit their operations against private property and against human life? |
− | and getting cloth, and explained how they would use it to set | + | |
− | houses on fire by wrapping it around the posts, etc. | + | {{p|663}} |
− | Senator | + | |
− | which you speak originate in the fact that the revolutionary project had | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} Well, the race hatred. Yes, I take it that way. Race hatred might have led to the commission of isolated outrages. I did not expect any organized violence from the natives. Judge Hartwell expressed fear, and gentlemen like him might have told Minister Stevens. I never had the fear of natives that others did; I thought I knew them better. |
− | already been set on foot by this white element which afterward established | + | |
− | a Provisional Government? I do not mean that they were dangerous | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} Let me ask you of the general characteristics of the people of Hawaii. Are they given to forming mobs? |
− | characters, for I understand you perfectly that they were the | + | |
− | better class; but that their activity and proclaimed intentions brought | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} Not generally. I have seen one great mob, in 1874. |
− | about the condition of things which made the danger. | + | |
− | Mr. | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} Was that a political occasion? |
− | on Saturday the danger would not have existed. | + | |
− | Senator | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} Yes; when Kalakaua was elected they mobbed the court house, where the legislature was assembled, broke in and clubbed the legislature and commenced to sack the building. The ministry had warning of danger taking place, but they made light of the danger, and when the crisis came the native police were of no use. |
− | the danger you think was the reason for the presence of the United | + | |
− | States troops ? | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} Was that mob led by white people? |
− | The | + | |
− | you to say, the apprehensions of danger were not from mobs | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} No; by the natives. |
− | rising amongst the opposing political elements of the native people or | + | |
− | others, but from the paralysis of authority there, which encouraged | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} It was a mob composed of Queen Emma's adherents? |
− | the licentious classes, the criminal classes, to exploit their operations | + | |
− | against private property and against human life? | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} Yes. They were careful not to attack the white people, except in one case, because there were two American and one English warship in the harbor. They considered that it was amongst themselves. Capt. Belknap had been informed about the danger, and so was the American minister, and they were ready. After a good deal of vacillation the ministry sent the American minister a note. Marines from the two American men-of war joined by a body of marines from the English man-of-war, perhaps 200 or more, marched up and quelled the mob very quickly. They held the city for a week. |
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− | Mr. | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} Did these soldiers have any conflicts with the population? |
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− | did not expect any organized violence from the natives. Judge Hartwell | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} They made many arrests. |
− | expressed fear, and gentlemen like him might have told Minister Stevens. | + | |
− | I never had the fear of natives that others did; I thought I | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} There was no violence used by the troops? |
− | knew them better. | + | |
− | The | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} No. The rioters were struck with fear; they ran out of the court-house like rats out of a burning building. |
− | people of Hawaii. Are they given to forming mobs? | + | |
− | Mr. | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} That riot was between the adherents of Queen Emma and those of Kalakaua? |
− | The | + | |
− | Mr. | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} Yes. |
− | the court house, where the legislature was assembled, broke in and | + | |
− | clubbed the legislature and commenced to sack the building. The | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} And one in which the white people had no preference? |
− | ministry had warning of danger taking place, but they made light of | + | |
− | the danger, and when the crisis came the native police were of no use. | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} It was considered that they would prefer Kalakaua. |
− | The | + | |
− | Mr. | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} The Legislature was in session, you say? |
− | The | + | |
− | Mr. | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} The Legislature had just elected Kalakaua. |
− | people, except in one case, because there were two American and one | + | |
− | English warship in the harbor. They considered that it was amongst | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} And was still in session? |
− | themselves. Capt. Belknap had been informed about the danger, and | + | |
− | so was the American minister, and they were ready. After a good | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} Yes. |
− | deal of vacillation the ministry sent the American minister a note. | + | |
− | Marines from the two American men-of war joined by a body of marines | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} And they were attacked by this mob of natives? |
− | from the English man-of-war, perhaps 200 or more, marched up and | + | |
− | quelled the mob very quickly. They held the city for a week. | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} Yes. |
− | The | + | |
− | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} And the mob was repressed after some killings had taken place, I suppose? | |
− | Mr. | + | |
− | The | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} Nobody was killed; they were pretty severely clubbed over the head, and one died afterward. |
− | Mr. | + | |
− | out of the court-house like rats out of a burning building. | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} And that was suppressed soon afterward by marines from two American ships and one British ship? |
− | The | + | |
− | Emma and those of Kalakaua? | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} Yes. |
− | Mr. | + | |
− | The | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} And the troops held possession of the city for a week? |
− | Mr. | + | |
− | The | + | Mr. {{sc|Alexander.}} Yes. |
− | Mr. | + | |
− | The | + | The {{sc|Chairman.}} And then went back to their vessels? |
− | Mr. | ||
− | The | ||
− | Mr. | ||
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− | taken place, I suppose? | ||
− | Mr. | ||
− | clubbed over the head, and one died afterward. | ||
− | The | ||
− | from two American ships and one British ship? | ||
− | Mr. | ||
− | The | ||
− | week? | ||
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of her purpose, withdrawal of the new constitution, was too late to check this?
Mr. Alexander. I was at the first mass meeting and heard the first two speeches, and then went to the other. I think it was Mr. Young who spoke to the meeting. He said, "Can we trust her?" and the cry was "No," all over the hall. It was the large skating rink where the meeting was held.
Senator Gray. Are the proceedings and speeches of that meeting published in the papers?
Mr. Alexander. Yes; you have it in a pamphlet.
Senator Gray. In some document we have in print here there are extracts, what purport to be extracts from a paper in Honolulu, giving the proceedings of that meeting. Have you seen them?
Mr. Alexander. I have seen them; I presume they are correct.
Senator Butler. Is it your opinion that the lives and property of American citizens would have been put in jeopardy in the then state of feeling in Honolulu but for the United States marines?
Mr. Alexander. I think there were reasons to apprehend that at the time.
Senator Butler. You say there were reasons to apprehend it?
Mr. Alexander. At the time, yes. Looking back on it now, I think probably the white people would have been strong enough to have protected themselves. But there was sufficient reason at the time.
The Chairman. Was the apprehension based upon the fact that mobs in favor of the Crown might rise in hostile opposition to the opposing element, or was it based upon the apprehension that the transitory condition of the Government would let the evil characters loose upon the community—characters disposed to burn and mob?
Mr. Alexander. Rather the latter. The city was paralyzed. There was an interregnum in the law, in the authority on the part of the existing Government, and the new Government had not become organized, and there were warnings about incendiarism. I do not exactly like to use names.
The Chairman. Do you mean of individuals?
Mr. Alexander. Yes. A white lady has told me that a half-white lady came to her and told her that natives were putting kerosene in bottles, and getting cloth, and explained how they would use it to set houses on fire by wrapping it around the posts, etc.
Senator Gray. Did not the danger or apprehension of danger of which you speak originate in the fact that the revolutionary project had already been set on foot by this white element which afterward established a Provisional Government? I do not mean that they were dangerous characters, for I understand you perfectly that they were the better class; but that their activity and proclaimed intentions brought about the condition of things which made the danger.
Mr. Alexander. I suppose if the community had quietly submitted on Saturday the danger would not have existed.
Senator Gray. Exactly. That made the danger, and that making the danger you think was the reason for the presence of the United States troops?
The Chairman. When the resistance became a fact, then, I understand you to say, the apprehensions of danger were not from mobs rising amongst the opposing political elements of the native people or others, but from the paralysis of authority there, which encouraged the licentious classes, the criminal classes, to exploit their operations against private property and against human life?
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Mr. Alexander. Well, the race hatred. Yes, I take it that way. Race hatred might have led to the commission of isolated outrages. I did not expect any organized violence from the natives. Judge Hartwell expressed fear, and gentlemen like him might have told Minister Stevens. I never had the fear of natives that others did; I thought I knew them better.
The Chairman. Let me ask you of the general characteristics of the people of Hawaii. Are they given to forming mobs?
Mr. Alexander. Not generally. I have seen one great mob, in 1874.
The Chairman. Was that a political occasion?
Mr. Alexander. Yes; when Kalakaua was elected they mobbed the court house, where the legislature was assembled, broke in and clubbed the legislature and commenced to sack the building. The ministry had warning of danger taking place, but they made light of the danger, and when the crisis came the native police were of no use.
The Chairman. Was that mob led by white people?
Mr. Alexander. No; by the natives.
The Chairman. It was a mob composed of Queen Emma's adherents?
Mr. Alexander. Yes. They were careful not to attack the white people, except in one case, because there were two American and one English warship in the harbor. They considered that it was amongst themselves. Capt. Belknap had been informed about the danger, and so was the American minister, and they were ready. After a good deal of vacillation the ministry sent the American minister a note. Marines from the two American men-of war joined by a body of marines from the English man-of-war, perhaps 200 or more, marched up and quelled the mob very quickly. They held the city for a week.
The Chairman. Did these soldiers have any conflicts with the population?
Mr. Alexander. They made many arrests.
The Chairman. There was no violence used by the troops?
Mr. Alexander. No. The rioters were struck with fear; they ran out of the court-house like rats out of a burning building.
The Chairman. That riot was between the adherents of Queen Emma and those of Kalakaua?
Mr. Alexander. Yes.
The Chairman. And one in which the white people had no preference?
Mr. Alexander. It was considered that they would prefer Kalakaua.
The Chairman. The Legislature was in session, you say?
Mr. Alexander. The Legislature had just elected Kalakaua.
The Chairman. And was still in session?
Mr. Alexander. Yes.
The Chairman. And they were attacked by this mob of natives?
Mr. Alexander. Yes.
The Chairman. And the mob was repressed after some killings had taken place, I suppose?
Mr. Alexander. Nobody was killed; they were pretty severely clubbed over the head, and one died afterward.
The Chairman. And that was suppressed soon afterward by marines from two American ships and one British ship?
Mr. Alexander. Yes.
The Chairman. And the troops held possession of the city for a week?
Mr. Alexander. Yes.
The Chairman. And then went back to their vessels?