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the same privileges to them that I would ask for myself in the way of
 
the same privileges to them that I would ask for myself in the way of
 
voting.
 
voting.
Senator GRAY. What day did you go out of office?
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Mr. JONES. I went out on the 12th of January.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} What day did you go out of office?
Senator GRAY. That was Wednesday?
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Mr. JONES. That was Thursday.
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} I went out on the 12th of January.
The CHAIRMAN. Allow me to inquire right there, what was the form
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} That was Wednesday?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} That was Thursday.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Allow me to inquire right there, what was the form
 
of the vote by which you were removed from office?
 
of the vote by which you were removed from office?
Mr. JONES. Mr. Kapahu, as I have said there, was the introducer
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} Mr. Kapahu, as I have said there, was the introducer
 
of the resolution, the one who proposed that a vote of want of confidence
 
of the resolution, the one who proposed that a vote of want of confidence
 
be brought against the ministry.
 
be brought against the ministry.
The CHAIRMAN. In that form ?
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Mr. JONES. Yes; and he then went on to laud Mr. Wilcox, Mr.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} In that form?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} Yes; and he then went on to laud Mr. Wilcox, Mr.
 
Robinson, and myself, and tell what good men we were—but brought
 
Robinson, and myself, and tell what good men we were—but brought
in this vote of want of confidence. That was seconded by Kauoa.
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in this vote of want of confidence. That was seconded by Kanoa.
 
There was no discussion on it. There was a motion made to indefinitely
 
There was no discussion on it. There was a motion made to indefinitely
 
postpone that motion. That was lost. Then it went back
 
postpone that motion. That was lost. Then it went back
 
to the original motion, and the motion for want of confidence was carried
 
to the original motion, and the motion for want of confidence was carried
 
by 25 votes.
 
by 25 votes.
The CHAIRMAN. Against how many?
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Mr. JONES. I think there were 45 members of the house. That matter
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Against how many?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} I think there were 45 members of the house. That matter
 
had been settled by the supreme court only a little while before.
 
had been settled by the supreme court only a little while before.
 
There are 24 representatives and 24 nobles. They all sit together in
 
There are 24 representatives and 24 nobles. They all sit together in
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members and the 4 ministers. In that vote the 4 ministers could not
 
members and the 4 ministers. In that vote the 4 ministers could not
 
vote, and that leaves 48 votes; and there must be 25 votes.
 
vote, and that leaves 48 votes; and there must be 25 votes.
The CHAIRMAN. I want to get at whether that vote of want of confidence
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} I want to get at whether that vote of want of confidence
 
had any relation to any particular measure.
 
had any relation to any particular measure.
Mr. JONES. NO.
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The CHAIRMAN. It was a sweeping vote of want of confidence?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} No.
Mr. JONES. Yes.
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Senator GRAY. YOU say this was Thursday?
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} It was a sweeping vote of want of confidence?
Mr. JONES. The 12th of January.
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Senator GRAY. That you went out of office?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} Yes.
Mr. JONES. Yes.
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Senator GRAY. And you had no public function to perform, no public
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} You say this was Thursday?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} The 12th of January.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} That you went out of office?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} Yes.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} And you had no public function to perform, no public
 
duty again, until you became a member of the committee of safety ?
 
duty again, until you became a member of the committee of safety ?
Mr. JONES. Minister of the executive council of the Provisional
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} Minister of the executive council of the Provisional
 
Government.
 
Government.
Senator GRAY. Were you not a member of the committee of safety?
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Mr. JONES. No, I was not.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Were you not a member of the committee of safety?
The CHAIRMAN. The committee of safety was the advisory council.
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Mr. JONES. Many of them afterward became members of the advisory
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} No, I was not.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} The committee of safety was the advisory council.
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} Many of them afterward became members of the advisory
 
council.
 
council.
The CHAIRMAN. The advisory council is still a separate body from
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} The advisory council is still a separate body from
 
the committee of safety?
 
the committee of safety?
Mr. JONES. The committee of safety ceased to exist on the formation
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} The committee of safety ceased to exist on the formation
 
of the Government.
 
of the Government.
Senator GRAY. You say you received a telephone message about
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} You say you received a telephone message about
 
1 o'clock to go to some place, an appointed place. What day was that?
 
1 o'clock to go to some place, an appointed place. What day was that?
Mr. JONES. That was on Tuesday, the 17th.
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Senator GRAY. About 1 o'clock in the day?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} That was on Tuesday, the 17th.
Mr. JONES. Yes.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} About 1 o'clock in the day?
Senator GRAY. Where did you go then; where was the appointed
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} Yes.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Where did you go then; where was the appointed
 
place?
 
place?
Mr. JONES. The appointed place was the office of W. O. Smith, where
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} The appointed place was the office of W. O. Smith, where
 
the committee of safety and those who had agreed to take part in the
 
the committee of safety and those who had agreed to take part in the
 
new Government assembled before going to the Government House.
 
new Government assembled before going to the Government House.
Senator GRAY. Whom did you find there?
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Mr. JONES. I found all the members of the committee of safety,
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Whom did you find there?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} I found all the members of the committee of safety,
 
and Judge Dole, Capt. King, and W. O. Smith.
 
and Judge Dole, Capt. King, and W. O. Smith.
Senator GRAY. Those with you constituted afterwards the executive
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Those with you constituted afterwards the executive
 
council?
 
council?
Mr. JONES. Yes.
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Senator GRAY. Who else were there?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} Yes.
Mr. JONES. I do not remember any others. I think no others were
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Who else were there?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} I do not remember any others. I think no others were
 
there.
 
there.
Senator GRAY. After you got there, what did you do?
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Mr. JONES. We read over the proclamation.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} After you got there, what did you do?
Senator GRAY. It had been prepared before you got there?
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Mr. JONES. It had been prepared; yes, and signed. We all signed
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} We read over the proclamation.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} It had been prepared before you got there?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} It had been prepared; yes, and signed. We all signed
 
it, and then went to the Government House.
 
it, and then went to the Government House.
Senator GRAY. Whom did you walk with; do you recollect?
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Mr. JONES. I could not tell you now. It was a very exciting time,
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Whom did you walk with; do you recollect?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} I could not tell you now. It was a very exciting time,
 
you know.
 
you know.
Senator GRAY. Did the whole thirteen or fourteen march up in a
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Did the whole thirteen or fourteen march up in a
 
body?
 
body?
Mr. JONES. No; part of us went one street and part another. I can
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} No; part of us went one street and part another. I can
 
show you by the map.
 
show you by the map.
Senator GRAY. Show me where you met in Mr. Smith's office.
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Mr. JONES. Smith's office is right in there. [Indicating on diagram.]
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Show me where you met in Mr. Smith's office.
Senator GRAY. Which street?
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Mr. JONES. Fort street.
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} Smith's office is right in there. [Indicating on diagram.]
Senator GRAY. Near what?
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Mr. JONES. Near Merchant—very near Merchant street. The Government
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Which street?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} Fort street.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Near what?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} Near Merchant—very near Merchant street. The Government
 
building is there [indicating]. Some of us went up Merchant
 
building is there [indicating]. Some of us went up Merchant
 
street and came in here [indicating]; some went up Queen street and
 
street and came in here [indicating]; some went up Queen street and
 
went into the Government building. I went by the way of Merchant
 
went into the Government building. I went by the way of Merchant
 
street. I think I walked with Judge Dole.
 
street. I think I walked with Judge Dole.
Senator GRAY. HOW many were with you and Judge Dole—immediately
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} How many were with you and Judge Dole—immediately
 
with you, right together?
 
with you, right together?
Mr. JONES. But we were perhaps half the number. I could not say
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} But we were perhaps half the number. I could not say
 
now. You see it was a very exciting time, and this shot had been fired
 
now. You see it was a very exciting time, and this shot had been fired
 
right up by Hall's corner, on Fort street—just above us.
 
right up by Hall's corner, on Fort street—just above us.
Senator GRAY. What sort of shot was it?
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Mr. JONES. It was a pistol shot. Here [indicating] is Hall's corner.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} What sort of shot was it?
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} It was a pistol shot. Here [indicating] is Hall's corner.
 
We were here [indicating], and this shot was fired right here [indicating].
 
We were here [indicating], and this shot was fired right here [indicating].
Senator GRAY. Were there any crowds on Merchant street?
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Were there any crowds on Merchant street?
Mr. JONES. No.
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Senator GRAY. This shot drew the people over toward the place of
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} No.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} This shot drew the people over toward the place of
 
shooting. That was after you had started, or before?
 
shooting. That was after you had started, or before?
Mr. JONES. Just as we started. Just as we came out I saw the
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} Just as we started. Just as we came out I saw the
 
flash of the pistol.
 
flash of the pistol.
Senator GRAY. Was there any crowd around Mr. Smith's office when
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Was there any crowd around Mr. Smith's office when
 
you came out?
 
you came out?
Mr. JONES. No.
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Senator GRAY. Was there any up Queen street? Did you see up
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Mr. {{sc|Jones.}} No.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Was there any up Queen street? Did you see up
 
Queen street?
 
Queen street?

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the same privileges to them that I would ask for myself in the way of voting.

Senator Gray. What day did you go out of office?

Mr. Jones. I went out on the 12th of January.

Senator Gray. That was Wednesday?

Mr. Jones. That was Thursday.

The Chairman. Allow me to inquire right there, what was the form of the vote by which you were removed from office?

Mr. Jones. Mr. Kapahu, as I have said there, was the introducer of the resolution, the one who proposed that a vote of want of confidence be brought against the ministry.

The Chairman. In that form?

Mr. Jones. Yes; and he then went on to laud Mr. Wilcox, Mr. Robinson, and myself, and tell what good men we were—but brought in this vote of want of confidence. That was seconded by Kanoa. There was no discussion on it. There was a motion made to indefinitely postpone that motion. That was lost. Then it went back to the original motion, and the motion for want of confidence was carried by 25 votes.

The Chairman. Against how many?

Mr. Jones. I think there were 45 members of the house. That matter had been settled by the supreme court only a little while before. There are 24 representatives and 24 nobles. They all sit together in one house and vote together. There had been one or two vacancies, and the matter was submitted to the supreme court. The question was, how many votes constituted a majority of the vote of want of confidence. The court decided that a majority of the whole house—48 members and the 4 ministers. In that vote the 4 ministers could not vote, and that leaves 48 votes; and there must be 25 votes.

The Chairman. I want to get at whether that vote of want of confidence had any relation to any particular measure.

Mr. Jones. No.

The Chairman. It was a sweeping vote of want of confidence?

Mr. Jones. Yes.

Senator Gray. You say this was Thursday?

Mr. Jones. The 12th of January.

Senator Gray. That you went out of office?

Mr. Jones. Yes.

Senator Gray. And you had no public function to perform, no public duty again, until you became a member of the committee of safety ?

Mr. Jones. Minister of the executive council of the Provisional Government.

Senator Gray. Were you not a member of the committee of safety?

Mr. Jones. No, I was not.

The Chairman. The committee of safety was the advisory council.

Mr. Jones. Many of them afterward became members of the advisory council.

The Chairman. The advisory council is still a separate body from the committee of safety?

Mr. Jones. The committee of safety ceased to exist on the formation of the Government.

Senator Gray. You say you received a telephone message about 1 o'clock to go to some place, an appointed place. What day was that?

Mr. Jones. That was on Tuesday, the 17th.

Senator Gray. About 1 o'clock in the day?

Mr. Jones. Yes.

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Senator Gray. Where did you go then; where was the appointed place?

Mr. Jones. The appointed place was the office of W. O. Smith, where the committee of safety and those who had agreed to take part in the new Government assembled before going to the Government House.

Senator Gray. Whom did you find there?

Mr. Jones. I found all the members of the committee of safety, and Judge Dole, Capt. King, and W. O. Smith.

Senator Gray. Those with you constituted afterwards the executive council?

Mr. Jones. Yes.

Senator Gray. Who else were there?

Mr. Jones. I do not remember any others. I think no others were there.

Senator Gray. After you got there, what did you do?

Mr. Jones. We read over the proclamation.

Senator Gray. It had been prepared before you got there?

Mr. Jones. It had been prepared; yes, and signed. We all signed it, and then went to the Government House.

Senator Gray. Whom did you walk with; do you recollect?

Mr. Jones. I could not tell you now. It was a very exciting time, you know.

Senator Gray. Did the whole thirteen or fourteen march up in a body?

Mr. Jones. No; part of us went one street and part another. I can show you by the map.

Senator Gray. Show me where you met in Mr. Smith's office.

Mr. Jones. Smith's office is right in there. [Indicating on diagram.]

Senator Gray. Which street?

Mr. Jones. Fort street.

Senator Gray. Near what?

Mr. Jones. Near Merchant—very near Merchant street. The Government building is there [indicating]. Some of us went up Merchant street and came in here [indicating]; some went up Queen street and went into the Government building. I went by the way of Merchant street. I think I walked with Judge Dole.

Senator Gray. How many were with you and Judge Dole—immediately with you, right together?

Mr. Jones. But we were perhaps half the number. I could not say now. You see it was a very exciting time, and this shot had been fired right up by Hall's corner, on Fort street—just above us.

Senator Gray. What sort of shot was it?

Mr. Jones. It was a pistol shot. Here [indicating] is Hall's corner. We were here [indicating], and this shot was fired right here [indicating]. Senator Gray. Were there any crowds on Merchant street?

Mr. Jones. No.

Senator Gray. This shot drew the people over toward the place of shooting. That was after you had started, or before?

Mr. Jones. Just as we started. Just as we came out I saw the flash of the pistol.

Senator Gray. Was there any crowd around Mr. Smith's office when you came out?

Mr. Jones. No.

Senator Gray. Was there any up Queen street? Did you see up Queen street?