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Mr. STEVENS. NO. AS an individual, some member of theProvisional
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} No. AS an individual, some member of the Provisional
Government may have called. But the Provisional Governmentleaders
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Government may have called. But the Provisional Government leaders
 
were intelligent, and they would not embarrass me with questions I
 
were intelligent, and they would not embarrass me with questions I
 
could not answer—they were better posted men than their opponents.
 
could not answer—they were better posted men than their opponents.
 
They kept their plans from me for reasons of their own.
 
They kept their plans from me for reasons of their own.
The CHAIRMAN. I suppose you are not speaking of the official communications
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} I suppose you are not speaking of the official communications
 
between you and the members of the Provisional Government—
 
between you and the members of the Provisional Government—
that they did not make any official communication f
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that they did not make any official communication?
Mr. STEVENS. I presume they sent a communication asking recognition,
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I presume they sent a communication asking recognition,
 
and I presume that note is at the legation in Honolulu.
 
and I presume that note is at the legation in Honolulu.
The CHAIRMAN. Beside that?
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Mr. STEVENS. Beside that I did not see one of them—they did not
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Beside that?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Beside that I did not see one of them—they did not
 
call; they probably sent their messenger, because they kept coming to
 
call; they probably sent their messenger, because they kept coming to
 
the legation, representative men on both sides, constantly, and it would
 
the legation, representative men on both sides, constantly, and it would
 
be impossible to make a record of every one. The whole town had
 
be impossible to make a record of every one. The whole town had
 
been in excitement for days.
 
been in excitement for days.
The CHAIRMAN. Was it your purpose in anything you did, from the
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time you left the Boston on Saturday up to the time of your making an
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Was it your purpose in anything you did, from the
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time you left the ''Boston'' on Saturday up to the time of your making an
 
official recognition in writing, to use the forces or the flag or the authority
 
official recognition in writing, to use the forces or the flag or the authority
 
of the United States Government for the purpose of dethroning the
 
of the United States Government for the purpose of dethroning the
 
Queen?
 
Queen?
Mr. STEVENS. Not the slightest—absolute noninterference was my
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Not the slightest—absolute noninterference was my
 
purpose.
 
purpose.
The CHAIRMAN. Was it your policy in any of these things that you
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Was it your policy in any of these things that you
 
had done to aid any plan or purpose of the annexation of the Hawaiian
 
had done to aid any plan or purpose of the annexation of the Hawaiian
 
Islands to the United States?
 
Islands to the United States?
Mr. STEVENS. Not at all. That was not the plan.
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The CHAIRMAN. Since your residence in Hawaii as a minister have
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Not at all. That was not the plan.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Since your residence in Hawaii as a minister have
 
you personally—I do not speak of your ministerial character—favored
 
you personally—I do not speak of your ministerial character—favored
 
the annexation of Hawaii to the United States? Have you been in
 
the annexation of Hawaii to the United States? Have you been in
 
favor of that movement?
 
favor of that movement?
Mr. STEVENS. After 1 had been in Honolulu one year I came to the
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} After I had been in Honolulu one year I came to the
 
conclusion that the annexation of those islands was inevitable, or
 
conclusion that the annexation of those islands was inevitable, or
 
something else; that the then condition of things could not last very
 
something else; that the then condition of things could not last very
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action, and the assent of the Queen on the lines of the treaty of '54.
 
action, and the assent of the Queen on the lines of the treaty of '54.
 
That was the only plan thought of.
 
That was the only plan thought of.
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In that time I kept my own counsel, and nobody except the United
 
In that time I kept my own counsel, and nobody except the United
 
States Government knew what my real view was. In that time I may
 
States Government knew what my real view was. In that time I may
 
have chatted with individuals and given an opinion when talking of
 
have chatted with individuals and given an opinion when talking of
the situation of the islands—with Judge Hartwell or llev. Dr. Hyde,
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the situation of the islands—with Judge Hartwell or Rev. Dr. Hyde,
 
and I may have agreed with them that that would be the inevitable,
 
and I may have agreed with them that that would be the inevitable,
 
sooner or later, because that had been the form of expression, as the
 
sooner or later, because that had been the form of expression, as the
 
records will show, for forty years. But that was merely an academic
 
records will show, for forty years. But that was merely an academic
 
opinion privately expressed.
 
opinion privately expressed.
The CHAIRMAN. AS a matter of interest to the people of Hawaii, and
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} As a matter of interest to the people of Hawaii, and
 
also the people of the United States and the Government of the United
 
also the people of the United States and the Government of the United
 
States, were your personal wishes or inclinations in favor of or against
 
States, were your personal wishes or inclinations in favor of or against
 
annexation?
 
annexation?
Mr. STEVENS. In the first twelve months I supposed something like
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} In the first twelve months I supposed something like
 
a protectorate would be preferable.
 
a protectorate would be preferable.
The CHAIRMAN. After that what?
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Mr STEVENS. I came to the conclusion that while a protectorate
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} After that what?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I came to the conclusion that while a protectorate
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would be possible, annexation was the only logical and practical solution.
 
would be possible, annexation was the only logical and practical solution.
The CHAIRMAN. Did you favor it?
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Mr. STEVENS. Only as I reported to the Department.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Did you favor it?
The CHAIRMAN. 1 do not mean whether you advocated it, but
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Only as I reported to the Department.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} I do not mean whether you advocated it, but
 
whether, in your own mind, you favored it.
 
whether, in your own mind, you favored it.
Mr. STEVENS. In my own mind I came to the conclusion that annexation
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} In my own mind I came to the conclusion that annexation
 
was better than protectorate, or something like what they have
 
was better than protectorate, or something like what they have
 
in Sweden and Norway. I know that there were some men when I
 
in Sweden and Norway. I know that there were some men when I
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the foreign relations managed at Washington and have an independent
 
the foreign relations managed at Washington and have an independent
 
kingdom like Norway.
 
kingdom like Norway.
The CHAIRMAN. During this period of time in Hawaii, did you believe
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} During this period of time in Hawaii, did you believe
 
that it would be advantageous to the Government of the United States,
 
that it would be advantageous to the Government of the United States,
 
in a commercial sense, to acquire the ownership of the islands?
 
in a commercial sense, to acquire the ownership of the islands?
Mr. STEVENS. Most emphatically. I came to that conclusion after a
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Most emphatically. I came to that conclusion after a
 
study of the future of the Pacific.
 
study of the future of the Pacific.
The CHAIRMAN. YOU believed that the future of the islands lay in
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} You believed that the future of the islands lay in
 
that direction?
 
that direction?
Mr. STEVENS. Exactly. I followed Mr. Seward for 25 years; I am a
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Exactly. I followed Mr. Seward for 25 years; I am a
 
believer in his philosophy as to the future of America in the Pacific,
 
believer in his philosophy as to the future of America in the Pacific,
 
and, of course, my investigations after I went to the islands confirmed
 
and, of course, my investigations after I went to the islands confirmed
 
me.
 
me.
The CHAIRMAN. Having such an opinion and such a belief and such
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Having such an opinion and such a belief and such
 
a trend of judgment about this important serious matter, have you in
 
a trend of judgment about this important serious matter, have you in
any way, at any time, or on any occasion employed your iiower as a
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any way, at any time, or on any occasion employed your power as a
 
minister of this Government for the purpose of promoting or accelerating
 
minister of this Government for the purpose of promoting or accelerating
 
that movement?
 
that movement?
Mr. STEVENS. Not the slightest, except in writing to Washington,
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Not the slightest, except in writing to Washington,
 
and that was marked confidential. There I expressed my views of the
 
and that was marked confidential. There I expressed my views of the
situation. When I suggested a customs'union, I pointed out in that
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situation. When I suggested a customs' union, I pointed out in that
 
that the customs union had more difficulties than annexation, and that
 
that the customs union had more difficulties than annexation, and that
 
the protectorate system was a system which I could not see would work
 
the protectorate system was a system which I could not see would work
 
with the American system.
 
with the American system.
The CHAIRMAN. Was it your observation of the condition of feeling
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Was it your observation of the condition of feeling
 
and sentiment amongst the Hawaiians, the native Kanaka population,
 
and sentiment amongst the Hawaiians, the native Kanaka population,
 
that they felt friendly toward and grateful to what was termed the
 
that they felt friendly toward and grateful to what was termed the
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element? By the missionary element I mean not all who are classed
 
element? By the missionary element I mean not all who are classed
 
now as missionaries, but those men and their descendants who went
 
now as missionaries, but those men and their descendants who went
to the islands for true missionary purx>oses ?
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to the islands for true missionary purposes?
Mr. STEVENS. I would say in answer to that, that nearly all, if not
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I would say in answer to that, that nearly all, if not
 
all, the responsible natives of the islands (I mean the men of education
 
all, the responsible natives of the islands (I mean the men of education
 
and standing) are nearly all Americans, and the representative men
 
and standing) are nearly all Americans, and the representative men
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man of character, and his three associates said, "The United States
 
man of character, and his three associates said, "The United States
 
is our mother; let her take our children."
 
is our mother; let her take our children."
The CHAIRMAN. I want to know whether it was a custom amongst
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} I want to know whether it was a custom amongst
 
the Hawaiians with the white people there to celebrate our anniversaries,
 
the Hawaiians with the white people there to celebrate our anniversaries,
 
such as the Fourth of July?
 
such as the Fourth of July?
Mr. STEVENS. The 4th of July on all the four principal islands is celebrated
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} The 4th of July on all the four principal islands is celebrated
 
with more uniformity and earnestness than in any part of the
 
with more uniformity and earnestness than in any part of the

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Mr. Stevens. No. AS an individual, some member of the Provisional Government may have called. But the Provisional Government leaders were intelligent, and they would not embarrass me with questions I could not answer—they were better posted men than their opponents. They kept their plans from me for reasons of their own.

The Chairman. I suppose you are not speaking of the official communications between you and the members of the Provisional Government— that they did not make any official communication?

Mr. Stevens. I presume they sent a communication asking recognition, and I presume that note is at the legation in Honolulu.

The Chairman. Beside that?

Mr. Stevens. Beside that I did not see one of them—they did not call; they probably sent their messenger, because they kept coming to the legation, representative men on both sides, constantly, and it would be impossible to make a record of every one. The whole town had been in excitement for days.

The Chairman. Was it your purpose in anything you did, from the time you left the Boston on Saturday up to the time of your making an official recognition in writing, to use the forces or the flag or the authority of the United States Government for the purpose of dethroning the Queen?

Mr. Stevens. Not the slightest—absolute noninterference was my purpose.

The Chairman. Was it your policy in any of these things that you had done to aid any plan or purpose of the annexation of the Hawaiian Islands to the United States?

Mr. Stevens. Not at all. That was not the plan.

The Chairman. Since your residence in Hawaii as a minister have you personally—I do not speak of your ministerial character—favored the annexation of Hawaii to the United States? Have you been in favor of that movement?

Mr. Stevens. After I had been in Honolulu one year I came to the conclusion that the annexation of those islands was inevitable, or something else; that the then condition of things could not last very long, and therefore my official communications to our Government disclose just what my views were. But in my calculations for annexation I never supposed, nor was it expected by the friends of annexation, that it would be by revolution, but through negotiation, legislative action, and the assent of the Queen on the lines of the treaty of '54. That was the only plan thought of.

In that time I kept my own counsel, and nobody except the United States Government knew what my real view was. In that time I may have chatted with individuals and given an opinion when talking of the situation of the islands—with Judge Hartwell or Rev. Dr. Hyde, and I may have agreed with them that that would be the inevitable, sooner or later, because that had been the form of expression, as the records will show, for forty years. But that was merely an academic opinion privately expressed.

The Chairman. As a matter of interest to the people of Hawaii, and also the people of the United States and the Government of the United States, were your personal wishes or inclinations in favor of or against annexation?

Mr. Stevens. In the first twelve months I supposed something like a protectorate would be preferable.

The Chairman. After that what?

Mr. Stevens. I came to the conclusion that while a protectorate

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would be possible, annexation was the only logical and practical solution.

The Chairman. Did you favor it?

Mr. Stevens. Only as I reported to the Department.

The Chairman. I do not mean whether you advocated it, but whether, in your own mind, you favored it.

Mr. Stevens. In my own mind I came to the conclusion that annexation was better than protectorate, or something like what they have in Sweden and Norway. I know that there were some men when I first went there who have had the idea that it would be better to have the foreign relations managed at Washington and have an independent kingdom like Norway.

The Chairman. During this period of time in Hawaii, did you believe that it would be advantageous to the Government of the United States, in a commercial sense, to acquire the ownership of the islands?

Mr. Stevens. Most emphatically. I came to that conclusion after a study of the future of the Pacific.

The Chairman. You believed that the future of the islands lay in that direction?

Mr. Stevens. Exactly. I followed Mr. Seward for 25 years; I am a believer in his philosophy as to the future of America in the Pacific, and, of course, my investigations after I went to the islands confirmed me.

The Chairman. Having such an opinion and such a belief and such a trend of judgment about this important serious matter, have you in any way, at any time, or on any occasion employed your power as a minister of this Government for the purpose of promoting or accelerating that movement?

Mr. Stevens. Not the slightest, except in writing to Washington, and that was marked confidential. There I expressed my views of the situation. When I suggested a customs' union, I pointed out in that that the customs union had more difficulties than annexation, and that the protectorate system was a system which I could not see would work with the American system.

The Chairman. Was it your observation of the condition of feeling and sentiment amongst the Hawaiians, the native Kanaka population, that they felt friendly toward and grateful to what was termed the missionary element for their education and civilization in building up their institutions and towns and other things that have occurred, or were they possessed of a feeling of hostility toward the missionary element? By the missionary element I mean not all who are classed now as missionaries, but those men and their descendants who went to the islands for true missionary purposes?

Mr. Stevens. I would say in answer to that, that nearly all, if not all, the responsible natives of the islands (I mean the men of education and standing) are nearly all Americans, and the representative men would be the four members of the Legislature who resisted the threats and bribes in the struggle about the lottery bill, led by Mr. Kauhana, who had been a member of the Legislature for fifteen years. He is a man of character, and his three associates said, "The United States is our mother; let her take our children."

The Chairman. I want to know whether it was a custom amongst the Hawaiians with the white people there to celebrate our anniversaries, such as the Fourth of July?

Mr. Stevens. The 4th of July on all the four principal islands is celebrated with more uniformity and earnestness than in any part of the