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a telegram. I do not recollect its purport. I meant to give them to
 
a telegram. I do not recollect its purport. I meant to give them to
 
understand that I would come on to Washington.
 
understand that I would come on to Washington.
The CHAIRMAN. When you came here you were informed of the place
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to which you were to be sent and the nature of your mission'?
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} When you came here you were informed of the place
Mr. BLOUNT. When I got here I went to see Mr. Hoke Smith, the
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to which you were to be sent and the nature of your mission?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} When I got here I went to see Mr. Hoke Smith, the
 
Secretary of the Interior, and we went over to see the President, to pay
 
Secretary of the Interior, and we went over to see the President, to pay
 
my respects. I learned from Mr. Smith, not from the President, that
 
my respects. I learned from Mr. Smith, not from the President, that
 
the object in sending me over to the Hawaiian Islands was to make an
 
the object in sending me over to the Hawaiian Islands was to make an
 
investigation in regard to the revolution.
 
investigation in regard to the revolution.
The CHAIRMAN. At that time did you have any prepossessions in
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} At that time did you have any prepossessions in
 
regard to the condition of affairs in Hawaii?
 
regard to the condition of affairs in Hawaii?
Mr. BLOUNT. NO.
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The CHAIRMAN. YOU had formed no fixed opinions about it?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} No.
Mr. BLOUNT. NO. TWO years ago, when I was chairman of the Committee
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} You had formed no fixed opinions about it?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} No. Two years ago, when I was chairman of the Committee
 
on Foreign Relations of the House of Representatives, Mr.
 
on Foreign Relations of the House of Representatives, Mr.
 
Thurston, with Mr. Mott Smith, came to the committee room and wanted
 
Thurston, with Mr. Mott Smith, came to the committee room and wanted
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the Hawaiian Islands. I said to him, without telling him my reasons,
 
the Hawaiian Islands. I said to him, without telling him my reasons,
 
"You had better see the Secretary of State about it."
 
"You had better see the Secretary of State about it."
The CHAIRMAN. Was that while John W. Foster was Secretary of
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Was that while John W. Foster was Secretary of
 
State?
 
State?
Mr. BLOUNT. I do not know. I think he was not at that time.
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The CHAIRMAN. Blaine then was Secretary of State?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I do not know. I think he was not at that time.
Mr. BLOUNT. Blaine. Did I say Foster?
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The CHAIRMAN. NO ; I asked if Foster was Secretary of State.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Blaine then was Secretary of State?
Mr. BLOUNT. He said to me, " I am a member of the Legislature
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Blaine. Did I say Foster?
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} No; I asked if Foster was Secretary of State.
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} He said to me, "I am a member of the Legislature
 
and I mean to endeavor to bring about the annexation of the islands."
 
and I mean to endeavor to bring about the annexation of the islands."
 
Mr. Smith heard it. I said nothing at all; I had no authority at all
 
Mr. Smith heard it. I said nothing at all; I had no authority at all
from anybody on the subject, and 1 did not think I ought to be talking,
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from anybody on the subject, and I did not think I ought to be talking,
 
especially to a gentleman who came in there talking about a movement
 
especially to a gentleman who came in there talking about a movement
 
of that sort. I thought he was a pretty uppish sort of person, and
 
of that sort. I thought he was a pretty uppish sort of person, and
 
thought no more about it. Mr. Foster sometime in the month of February
 
thought no more about it. Mr. Foster sometime in the month of February
 
showed me a letter from Mr. Stevens, of November 20.
 
showed me a letter from Mr. Stevens, of November 20.
Senator GRAY. November 20, 1892?
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Mr. BLOUNT. I think that was the date. I saw the newspaper
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} November 20, 1892?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I think that was the date. I saw the newspaper
 
accounts, and I was a little apprehensive; I thought there might be
 
accounts, and I was a little apprehensive; I thought there might be
 
something wrong. But I had no idea about the condition of things at all
 
something wrong. But I had no idea about the condition of things at all
The CHAIRMAN. Has that letter been printed ?
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Mr. BLOUNT. Yes. The opinion that I reached was developed by
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Has that letter been printed ?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Yes. The opinion that I reached was developed by
 
events after I got there.
 
events after I got there.
The CHAIRMAN. Got to Hawaii?
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Mr. BLOUNT. Yes. I was never more determined to be careful and
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Got to Hawaii?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Yes. I was never more determined to be careful and
 
hear the truth than I was on that occasion. The situation I was in was
 
hear the truth than I was on that occasion. The situation I was in was
 
rather painful to me. I met those people on one side and the other
 
rather painful to me. I met those people on one side and the other
 
with a great deal of freedom. It was important for me not to take any
 
with a great deal of freedom. It was important for me not to take any
position one way or the other, because the most simple thing 1 might
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position one way or the other, because the most simple thing I might
 
say would be likely to be construed as significant; so that I was left
 
say would be likely to be construed as significant; so that I was left
 
without anybody to consult, and it made my progress very slow. For
 
without anybody to consult, and it made my progress very slow. For
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bed time at night—people of the several political parties; all were as
 
bed time at night—people of the several political parties; all were as
 
cordial and as courteous as they could be.
 
cordial and as courteous as they could be.
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Senator GRAY. On both sides of this question?
 
Senator GRAY. On both sides of this question?
Mr. BLOUNT. Yes.
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The CHAIRMAN. YOU were visited by the native population of
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Yes.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} YOU were visited by the native population of
 
Hawaii? I call them the Kanakas.
 
Hawaii? I call them the Kanakas.
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Mr. BLOUNT. Yes. I was visited by all. I felt I was there to make
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Yes. I was visited by all. I felt I was there to make
an investigation, and 1 thought it was my duty to see the people.
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an investigation, and I thought it was my duty to see the people.
The CHAIRMAN. Did they come there voluntarily to see you, or did
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Did they come there voluntarily to see you, or did
 
you send out for them?
 
you send out for them?
Mr. BLOUNT. They came voluntarily. The truth of it is, it got to
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} They came voluntarily. The truth of it is, it got to
 
this point that I commenced to take testimony, and I was so much
 
this point that I commenced to take testimony, and I was so much
 
interrupted that I saw that it was necessary for me to fix a time for
 
interrupted that I saw that it was necessary for me to fix a time for
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see anybody except the Government officials until after 2 o'clock each
 
see anybody except the Government officials until after 2 o'clock each
 
day.
 
day.
The CHAIRMAN. We will get back to the starting point of this matter.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} We will get back to the starting point of this matter.
 
When you saw the President did you have any conversation with
 
When you saw the President did you have any conversation with
 
him about the objects of your mission to Hawaii?
 
him about the objects of your mission to Hawaii?
Mr. BLOUNT. NO, not especially. He seemed to understand that I
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} NO, not especially. He seemed to understand that I
 
was there for the purpose of making the investigation.
 
was there for the purpose of making the investigation.
The CHAIRMAN. My question referred to the President of the United
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} My question referred to the President of the United
 
States.
 
States.
Mr. BLOUNT. Repeat the question.
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Repeat the question.
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The question was read as follows:
 
The question was read as follows:
u When you saw the President did you have any conversation with
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"When you saw the President did you have any conversation with
 
him about the objects of your mission to Hawaii?"
 
him about the objects of your mission to Hawaii?"
Mr. BLOUNT. NO.
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The CHAIRMAN. Did the President undertake to inform you of his
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} No.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Did the President undertake to inform you of his
 
opinions in regard to the situation in Hawaii?
 
opinions in regard to the situation in Hawaii?
Mr. BLOUNT. Not in the slightest degree. And I never had at that
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Not in the slightest degree. And I never had at that
 
time nor after I left any intimation as to what the President thought
 
time nor after I left any intimation as to what the President thought
 
about it or felt. I was impressed with the belief that he wanted information.
 
about it or felt. I was impressed with the belief that he wanted information.
The CHAIRMAN. Did he intimate or indicate in any way whether he
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Did he intimate or indicate in any way whether he
 
was in favor of or opposed to the annexation of the islands?
 
was in favor of or opposed to the annexation of the islands?
Mr. BLOUNT. Notinthe slightest. On the contrary, he said to me—
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Not in the slightest. On the contrary, he said to me—
 
just a casual thing—"I understand from Mr. Springer that the Democrats
 
just a casual thing—"I understand from Mr. Springer that the Democrats
 
in the House of Representatives are inclined to favor annexation."
 
in the House of Representatives are inclined to favor annexation."
Seemed to be an inquiry. I said " I think Mr. Springer is in error
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Seemed to be an inquiry. I said "I think Mr. Springer is in error
 
about that; my impression is that the feeling in the House is that the
 
about that; my impression is that the feeling in the House is that the
 
members are not satisfactorily informed." He seemed, then, as though
 
members are not satisfactorily informed." He seemed, then, as though
he had made a mistake, and said, u I ought not to have mentioned that,"
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he had made a mistake, and said, "I ought not to have mentioned that,"
 
and he never said anything more. The impression made on my mind
 
and he never said anything more. The impression made on my mind
was that he was afraid he might give me some inqwession of his opinion
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was that he was afraid he might give me some impression of his opinion
 
or inclination.
 
or inclination.
The CHAIRMAN. Was that impression changed in any communication
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Was that impression changed in any communication
 
that you had with him at any time before you went to Hawaii?
 
that you had with him at any time before you went to Hawaii?
Mr. BLOUNT. Never.
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The CHAIRMAN. From whom did you receive your instructions as to
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Never.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} From whom did you receive your instructions as to
 
the mission you were to perform?
 
the mission you were to perform?
Mr. BLOUNT. From the Secretary of State.
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The CHAIRMAN. Were the instructions in writing?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} From the Secretary of State.
Mr. BLOUNT, "ies.
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The CHAIRMAN. Are they set forth in your report?
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Were the instructions in writing?
Mr. BLOUNT. Yes.
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The CHAIRMAN. Did you receive from the Secretary of State any
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Yes.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Are they set forth in your report?
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Yes.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Did you receive from the Secretary of State any
 
instructions except those that are in writing?
 
instructions except those that are in writing?
Mr. BLOUNT. I did not.
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The CHAIRMAN. That, then, was the limit and the bound of your
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} I did not.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} That, then, was the limit and the bound of your
 
authority and course in Hawaii?
 
authority and course in Hawaii?
Mr. BLOUNT. Yes. 1 might, perhaps, say that the Secretary of State
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Mr. {{sc|Blount.}} Yes. I might, perhaps, say that the Secretary of State
 
expressed the opinion that there was no principle of international law
 
expressed the opinion that there was no principle of international law

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a telegram. I do not recollect its purport. I meant to give them to understand that I would come on to Washington.

The Chairman. When you came here you were informed of the place to which you were to be sent and the nature of your mission?

Mr. Blount. When I got here I went to see Mr. Hoke Smith, the Secretary of the Interior, and we went over to see the President, to pay my respects. I learned from Mr. Smith, not from the President, that the object in sending me over to the Hawaiian Islands was to make an investigation in regard to the revolution.

The Chairman. At that time did you have any prepossessions in regard to the condition of affairs in Hawaii?

Mr. Blount. No.

The Chairman. You had formed no fixed opinions about it?

Mr. Blount. No. Two years ago, when I was chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations of the House of Representatives, Mr. Thurston, with Mr. Mott Smith, came to the committee room and wanted to know if the Democratic party would consent to the annexation of the Hawaiian Islands. I said to him, without telling him my reasons, "You had better see the Secretary of State about it."

The Chairman. Was that while John W. Foster was Secretary of State?

Mr. Blount. I do not know. I think he was not at that time.

The Chairman. Blaine then was Secretary of State?

Mr. Blount. Blaine. Did I say Foster?

The Chairman. No; I asked if Foster was Secretary of State.

Mr. Blount. He said to me, "I am a member of the Legislature and I mean to endeavor to bring about the annexation of the islands." Mr. Smith heard it. I said nothing at all; I had no authority at all from anybody on the subject, and I did not think I ought to be talking, especially to a gentleman who came in there talking about a movement of that sort. I thought he was a pretty uppish sort of person, and thought no more about it. Mr. Foster sometime in the month of February showed me a letter from Mr. Stevens, of November 20.

Senator Gray. November 20, 1892?

Mr. Blount. I think that was the date. I saw the newspaper accounts, and I was a little apprehensive; I thought there might be something wrong. But I had no idea about the condition of things at all

The Chairman. Has that letter been printed ?

Mr. Blount. Yes. The opinion that I reached was developed by events after I got there.

The Chairman. Got to Hawaii?

Mr. Blount. Yes. I was never more determined to be careful and hear the truth than I was on that occasion. The situation I was in was rather painful to me. I met those people on one side and the other with a great deal of freedom. It was important for me not to take any position one way or the other, because the most simple thing I might say would be likely to be construed as significant; so that I was left without anybody to consult, and it made my progress very slow. For some weeks in my house there was not fifteen minutes interval that there was not somebody there, from the time I got my breakfast until bed time at night—people of the several political parties; all were as cordial and as courteous as they could be.

Senator GRAY. On both sides of this question?

Mr. Blount. Yes.

The Chairman. YOU were visited by the native population of Hawaii? I call them the Kanakas.

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Mr. Blount. Yes. I was visited by all. I felt I was there to make an investigation, and I thought it was my duty to see the people.

The Chairman. Did they come there voluntarily to see you, or did you send out for them?

Mr. Blount. They came voluntarily. The truth of it is, it got to this point that I commenced to take testimony, and I was so much interrupted that I saw that it was necessary for me to fix a time for work and the time when I would see anybody. So that I refused to see anybody except the Government officials until after 2 o'clock each day.

The Chairman. We will get back to the starting point of this matter. When you saw the President did you have any conversation with him about the objects of your mission to Hawaii?

Mr. Blount. NO, not especially. He seemed to understand that I was there for the purpose of making the investigation.

The Chairman. My question referred to the President of the United States.

Mr. Blount. Repeat the question.

The question was read as follows:

"When you saw the President did you have any conversation with him about the objects of your mission to Hawaii?"

Mr. Blount. No.

The Chairman. Did the President undertake to inform you of his opinions in regard to the situation in Hawaii?

Mr. Blount. Not in the slightest degree. And I never had at that time nor after I left any intimation as to what the President thought about it or felt. I was impressed with the belief that he wanted information.

The Chairman. Did he intimate or indicate in any way whether he was in favor of or opposed to the annexation of the islands?

Mr. Blount. Not in the slightest. On the contrary, he said to me— just a casual thing—"I understand from Mr. Springer that the Democrats in the House of Representatives are inclined to favor annexation." Seemed to be an inquiry. I said "I think Mr. Springer is in error about that; my impression is that the feeling in the House is that the members are not satisfactorily informed." He seemed, then, as though he had made a mistake, and said, "I ought not to have mentioned that," and he never said anything more. The impression made on my mind was that he was afraid he might give me some impression of his opinion or inclination.

The Chairman. Was that impression changed in any communication that you had with him at any time before you went to Hawaii?

Mr. Blount. Never.

The Chairman. From whom did you receive your instructions as to the mission you were to perform?

Mr. Blount. From the Secretary of State.

The Chairman. Were the instructions in writing?

Mr. Blount. Yes.

The Chairman. Are they set forth in your report?

Mr. Blount. Yes.

The Chairman. Did you receive from the Secretary of State any instructions except those that are in writing?

Mr. Blount. I did not.

The Chairman. That, then, was the limit and the bound of your authority and course in Hawaii?

Mr. Blount. Yes. I might, perhaps, say that the Secretary of State expressed the opinion that there was no principle of international law