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Mr. STEVENS. Nothing of the kind. The only interviews in which,
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Nothing of the kind. The only interviews in which,
 
as I have already stated, they asked my assistance to support the
 
as I have already stated, they asked my assistance to support the
Queen; but they did not put the other alternative, because they Mould
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Queen; but they did not put the other alternative, because they would
 
not insult me with that after I had refused the other. I said to them
 
not insult me with that after I had refused the other. I said to them
 
squarely that the troops were landed for a pacific purpose and could
 
squarely that the troops were landed for a pacific purpose and could
 
not take part in any contest.
 
not take part in any contest.
Senator FEYE. He also says that at a meeting at which J. O. Carter,
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} He also says that at a meeting at which J. O. Carter,
 
Macfarlane, Widemann, and Damon were present, the statement was
 
Macfarlane, Widemann, and Damon were present, the statement was
 
repeated that Mr. Stevens unqualifiedly stated that he would by force
 
repeated that Mr. Stevens unqualifiedly stated that he would by force
 
of arms sustain the Provisional Government. Did you say anything of
 
of arms sustain the Provisional Government. Did you say anything of
 
the kind?
 
the kind?
Mr. STEVENS. No; just like the other.
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Senator FKYE. He also states that the U. S. legation had been at
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} No; just like the other.
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} He also states that the U. S. legation had been at
 
various times the meeting place of persons who had conspired to overthrow
 
various times the meeting place of persons who had conspired to overthrow
 
the Hawaiian Government.
 
the Hawaiian Government.
Mr. STEVENS. There never was any such meeting in the four years
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} There never was any such meeting in the four years
 
that I was there, at the legation. The people who had the entree of
 
that I was there, at the legation. The people who had the entree of
 
the legation and who dined there and had other attentions there were
 
the legation and who dined there and had other attentions there were
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d'affaires made one; the French commissioner another; Judge Hartwell
 
d'affaires made one; the French commissioner another; Judge Hartwell
 
another; Mr. Thurston another, and, I think, one of the officers
 
another; Mr. Thurston another, and, I think, one of the officers
of the Boston, besides Capt. Wilts©. My daughter's conversation was
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of the ''Boston'', besides Capt. Wiltse. My daughter's conversation was
with Mr. Thurston, and 1 talked with the Portuguese charge d'affaires.
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with Mr. Thurston, and I talked with the Portuguese charge d'affaires.
 
The meeting was of such a character that if we had wanted to talk
 
The meeting was of such a character that if we had wanted to talk
 
politics we could not have done so.
 
politics we could not have done so.
Senator FEYE. Mr. Charles T. Gulick testifies that the presence of
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} Mr. Charles T. Gulick testifies that the presence of
 
the American troops and certain rumors with regard to the attitude of
 
the American troops and certain rumors with regard to the attitude of
 
the American minister, caused the Hawaiian cabinet to confer with
 
the American minister, caused the Hawaiian cabinet to confer with
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it with the United States troops. Was there anything of that
 
it with the United States troops. Was there anything of that
 
kind?
 
kind?
Mr. STEVENS. No. It was all done in the form that came from this
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} No. It was all done in the form that came from this
 
note. The man Hopkins, whom I did not know, and my daughter happened
 
note. The man Hopkins, whom I did not know, and my daughter happened
 
to know, he returned, but did not have any conversation, did
 
to know, he returned, but did not have any conversation, did
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happened to know him by sight. He never submitted me any question;
 
happened to know him by sight. He never submitted me any question;
 
he brought a note, and all he wanted was an answer. I think my
 
he brought a note, and all he wanted was an answer. I think my
daughtei took the note out of his hand and put it in mine, if I remember
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daughter took the note out of his hand and put it in mine, if I remember
 
correctly. I was sick at the time. Hopkins was one of those who had
 
correctly. I was sick at the time. Hopkins was one of those who had
 
been engaged in the grossest maladministration.
 
been engaged in the grossest maladministration.
Senator FEYE. Mr. John Lot Kaulukou in his testimony says: "Next
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} Mr. John Lot Kaulukou in his testimony says: "Next
 
morning I read a letter from Minister Stevens in the newspaper. He
 
morning I read a letter from Minister Stevens in the newspaper. He
 
said, 'I recognize the Provisional Government of the Hawaiian Islands,
 
said, 'I recognize the Provisional Government of the Hawaiian Islands,
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is my reason why I recognize the Provisional Government.'" Did you
 
is my reason why I recognize the Provisional Government.'" Did you
 
write any such letter?
 
write any such letter?
Mr. STEVENS. NO; the only one that I ever wrote on the subject is
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in that official lianiphlet published by vote of the Senate last February.
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} No; the only one that I ever wrote on the subject is
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in that official pamphlet published by vote of the Senate last February.
 
I never wrote any communication to any newspaper about it. Kaulukou
 
I never wrote any communication to any newspaper about it. Kaulukou
 
is one of the most corrupt men in the country, formerly one of
 
is one of the most corrupt men in the country, formerly one of
 
Kalakaua's ministers.
 
Kalakaua's ministers.
Senator FRYE. He says further: "If Mr. Stevens had never sent
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} He says further: "If Mr. Stevens had never sent
 
any word of that kind, if he had never interfered, you would see these
 
any word of that kind, if he had never interfered, you would see these
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people cleaned out in fifteen or twenty minutes and the Queen remain
 
people cleaned out in fifteen or twenty minutes and the Queen remain
 
on her throne till to-day." Did you interfere?
 
on her throne till to-day." Did you interfere?
Mr. STEVENS. Not the slightest.
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Senator FEYE. DO you think if the troops had been in the United
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Not the slightest.
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} Do you think if the troops had been in the United
 
States of America the Queen would have been on her throne to-day?
 
States of America the Queen would have been on her throne to-day?
Mr. STEVENS. If our troops had remained at Ililo, 260 miles from
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} If our troops had remained at Hilo, 260 miles from
 
Honolulu, and had known nothing of what was going on, it would have
 
Honolulu, and had known nothing of what was going on, it would have
 
been the same. The Wilcox Jones cabinet was composed of some of
 
been the same. The Wilcox Jones cabinet was composed of some of
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Wilson knew that, and that is the reason why his associates did not
 
Wilson knew that, and that is the reason why his associates did not
 
arrest anybody.
 
arrest anybody.
Senator FEYE. DO you know Dr. G. Trousseau?
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Mr. STEVENS. I do.
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} Do you know Dr. G. Trousseau?
Senator FKYE. IS he regarded in the Hawaiian Islands as a truthful
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man ?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I do.
Mr. STEVENS. He is so notoriously untruthful that any story going
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} Is he regarded in the Hawaiian Islands as a truthful
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man?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} He is so notoriously untruthful that any story going
 
the round of the capital they would say "That is one of Trousseau's
 
the round of the capital they would say "That is one of Trousseau's
 
lies." He is an adventurer who came from Paris. He is a man of a
 
lies." He is an adventurer who came from Paris. He is a man of a
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to Judge Hartwell and others because of statements he made with
 
to Judge Hartwell and others because of statements he made with
 
respect to them that he thought would not come back to the islands.
 
respect to them that he thought would not come back to the islands.
Senator FEYE. Trousseau in his statement says that Dole, Charles
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} Trousseau in his statement says that Dole, Charles
 
Carter, and W. H. Castle, and one or two others, naming them, were
 
Carter, and W. H. Castle, and one or two others, naming them, were
 
in the habit of meeting at your house, the house of the American
 
in the habit of meeting at your house, the house of the American
 
minister, and conspiring for overturning the Queen. Is there any truth
 
minister, and conspiring for overturning the Queen. Is there any truth
 
in that?
 
in that?
Mr. STEVENS. Not a particle. One of the parties was Mr. Castle; he
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Not a particle. One of the parties was Mr. Castle; he
 
had not been at my house but once for a year. I got acquainted with
 
had not been at my house but once for a year. I got acquainted with
 
him and his venerable father when I first came to Hawaii, and I
 
him and his venerable father when I first came to Hawaii, and I
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strong man, and the pressure of responsibility and anxiety is liable to
 
strong man, and the pressure of responsibility and anxiety is liable to
 
break him down.
 
break him down.
The CHAIEMAN. Who comprised the supreme court at the time you
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Who comprised the supreme court at the time you
 
left Hawaii?
 
left Hawaii?
Mr. STEVENS. At the time I left it was composed of Chief Justice
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} At the time I left it was composed of Chief Justice
 
Judd, who had been chief justice for nineteen years, and Judge Bickerton
 
Judd, who had been chief justice for nineteen years, and Judge Bickerton
 
and Judge Frear. Judge Judd was educated in law at Harvard.
 
and Judge Frear. Judge Judd was educated in law at Harvard.
 
Judge Bickerton is English.
 
Judge Bickerton is English.
The CHAIEMAN. After the revolution occurred there in the executive
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} After the revolution occurred there in the executive
 
government, did that court continue to sit and discharge its functions?
 
government, did that court continue to sit and discharge its functions?
Mr. STEVENS. I so understood it; yes—right along. The Provisional
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I so understood it; yes—right along. The Provisional
 
Government interfered as little as possible with the statutes; they
 
Government interfered as little as possible with the statutes; they
 
promptly repealed the lottery act and opium act, and I think that is
 
promptly repealed the lottery act and opium act, and I think that is

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Mr. Stevens. Nothing of the kind. The only interviews in which, as I have already stated, they asked my assistance to support the Queen; but they did not put the other alternative, because they would not insult me with that after I had refused the other. I said to them squarely that the troops were landed for a pacific purpose and could not take part in any contest.

Senator Frye. He also says that at a meeting at which J. O. Carter, Macfarlane, Widemann, and Damon were present, the statement was repeated that Mr. Stevens unqualifiedly stated that he would by force of arms sustain the Provisional Government. Did you say anything of the kind?

Mr. Stevens. No; just like the other.

Senator Frye. He also states that the U. S. legation had been at various times the meeting place of persons who had conspired to overthrow the Hawaiian Government.

Mr. Stevens. There never was any such meeting in the four years that I was there, at the legation. The people who had the entree of the legation and who dined there and had other attentions there were royalists quite as many as of their opponents. The dinner party spoken of was made up by my two parties; the Portuguese charge d'affaires made one; the French commissioner another; Judge Hartwell another; Mr. Thurston another, and, I think, one of the officers of the Boston, besides Capt. Wiltse. My daughter's conversation was with Mr. Thurston, and I talked with the Portuguese charge d'affaires. The meeting was of such a character that if we had wanted to talk politics we could not have done so.

Senator Frye. Mr. Charles T. Gulick testifies that the presence of the American troops and certain rumors with regard to the attitude of the American minister, caused the Hawaiian cabinet to confer with that official before taking action, and that they learned from him in writing that he recognized the Provisional Government and would support it with the United States troops. Was there anything of that kind?

Mr. Stevens. No. It was all done in the form that came from this note. The man Hopkins, whom I did not know, and my daughter happened to know, he returned, but did not have any conversation, did not speak to him, did not know him until that afternoon. My daughter happened to know him by sight. He never submitted me any question; he brought a note, and all he wanted was an answer. I think my daughter took the note out of his hand and put it in mine, if I remember correctly. I was sick at the time. Hopkins was one of those who had been engaged in the grossest maladministration.

Senator Frye. Mr. John Lot Kaulukou in his testimony says: "Next morning I read a letter from Minister Stevens in the newspaper. He said, 'I recognize the Provisional Government of the Hawaiian Islands, because it takes the palace, the station house, and the barracks. That is my reason why I recognize the Provisional Government.'" Did you write any such letter?

Mr. Stevens. No; the only one that I ever wrote on the subject is in that official pamphlet published by vote of the Senate last February. I never wrote any communication to any newspaper about it. Kaulukou is one of the most corrupt men in the country, formerly one of Kalakaua's ministers.

Senator Frye. He says further: "If Mr. Stevens had never sent any word of that kind, if he had never interfered, you would see these

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people cleaned out in fifteen or twenty minutes and the Queen remain on her throne till to-day." Did you interfere?

Mr. Stevens. Not the slightest.

Senator Frye. Do you think if the troops had been in the United States of America the Queen would have been on her throne to-day?

Mr. Stevens. If our troops had remained at Hilo, 260 miles from Honolulu, and had known nothing of what was going on, it would have been the same. The Wilcox Jones cabinet was composed of some of the best men in the islands. The men who were leading this revolution were irresistible; they had the complete command of the situation. Wilson knew that, and that is the reason why his associates did not arrest anybody.

Senator Frye. Do you know Dr. G. Trousseau?

Mr. Stevens. I do.

Senator Frye. Is he regarded in the Hawaiian Islands as a truthful man?

Mr. Stevens. He is so notoriously untruthful that any story going the round of the capital they would say "That is one of Trousseau's lies." He is an adventurer who came from Paris. He is a man of a good deal of genius; he practices medicine in some American families because of his genius; but there are physicans who have no affiliations with him, because he has not his diploma. He has already apologized to Judge Hartwell and others because of statements he made with respect to them that he thought would not come back to the islands.

Senator Frye. Trousseau in his statement says that Dole, Charles Carter, and W. H. Castle, and one or two others, naming them, were in the habit of meeting at your house, the house of the American minister, and conspiring for overturning the Queen. Is there any truth in that?

Mr. Stevens. Not a particle. One of the parties was Mr. Castle; he had not been at my house but once for a year. I got acquainted with him and his venerable father when I first came to Hawaii, and I wondered why he had not called upon me. William Castle had only stopped at our house once in the year. Mr. Dole and Mr. Thurston were men of too much sense to be willing to have a meeting at my house. Although I was intimate in Mr. Dole's family, I never got a hint from Mr. and Mrs. Dole that he was to go into the Provisional Government. He was a man of too much culture to embarrass me with the knowledge that he was to take part in the revolutionary movement. It is the fact that he left the bench to which he had been appointed, with his salary of $5,000 a year, purely as a sense of duty, to take the responsibilities of the position he now holds. He is delicate, not a strong man, and the pressure of responsibility and anxiety is liable to break him down.

The Chairman. Who comprised the supreme court at the time you left Hawaii?

Mr. Stevens. At the time I left it was composed of Chief Justice Judd, who had been chief justice for nineteen years, and Judge Bickerton and Judge Frear. Judge Judd was educated in law at Harvard. Judge Bickerton is English.

The Chairman. After the revolution occurred there in the executive government, did that court continue to sit and discharge its functions?

Mr. Stevens. I so understood it; yes—right along. The Provisional Government interfered as little as possible with the statutes; they promptly repealed the lottery act and opium act, and I think that is