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The CHAIRMAN. Does that include persons having Kanaka o ood?
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Does that include persons having Kanaka blood?
Mr. MOORE. A great many of them.
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The CHAIRMAN. Are they good people?
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} A great many of them.
Mr. MOORE. Charming people. Some of my friends there were
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Are they good people?
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} Charming people. Some of my friends there were
 
amongst the natives and half whites. My immediate associates were
 
amongst the natives and half whites. My immediate associates were
 
mostly among the whites; but I was entertained by both natives and
 
mostly among the whites; but I was entertained by both natives and
 
whites.
 
whites.
The CHAIRMAN. Was there any obvious damper thrown upon the
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Was there any obvious damper thrown upon the
 
society of Honolulu by the accession of this Provisional Government
 
society of Honolulu by the accession of this Provisional Government
 
or authority? Did people seem to hold it in dread, or did the social
 
or authority? Did people seem to hold it in dread, or did the social
 
amenities among the families of Honolulu proceed as they had done
 
amenities among the families of Honolulu proceed as they had done
 
before?
 
before?
Mr. MOORE. Sociability ceased for a little while after the outbreak,
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} Sociability ceased for a little while after the outbreak,
 
but soon continued much as before. At general grtherings you would
 
but soon continued much as before. At general grtherings you would
 
see the families of those interested in the Provisional Government associating
 
see the families of those interested in the Provisional Government associating
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from the outward appearance of social relations, the change of government
 
from the outward appearance of social relations, the change of government
 
seemed to have little effect.
 
seemed to have little effect.
The CHAIRMAN. There was no line of demarcation drawn in society
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} There was no line of demarcation drawn in society
 
upon the question of loyalty or disloyalty to the Queen?
 
upon the question of loyalty or disloyalty to the Queen?
Mr. MOORE. I think not.
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The CHAIRMAN. HOW is commerce affected by this change?
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} I think not.
Mr. MOORE. I know of that by hearing people talk. At first the
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} How is commerce affected by this change?
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} I know of that by hearing people talk. At first the
 
business seemed to be checked, but after a few days it seemed to revive
 
business seemed to be checked, but after a few days it seemed to revive
 
and there seemed to be more confidence. There seemed to be confidence
 
and there seemed to be more confidence. There seemed to be confidence
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although I remember gentlemen stating that stocks increased in value
 
although I remember gentlemen stating that stocks increased in value
 
within a few days and stocks were going up.
 
within a few days and stocks were going up.
The CHAIRMAN. AS to the commerce with the outside world. Was
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} As to the commerce with the outside world. Was
 
there any restraint imposed upon it by the Provisional Government?
 
there any restraint imposed upon it by the Provisional Government?
Mr. MOORE. I think not.
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The CHAIRMAN. Things seem to be going on as before!
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} I think not.
Mr. MOORE. Things were going on as before.
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The CHAIRMAN. In charge of the same officers f
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Things seem to be going on as before?
Mr. MOORE. In charge of the same officers.
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The CHAIRMAN. It was an exchange of the Queen's Government into
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} Things were going on as before.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} In charge of the same officers?
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} In charge of the same officers.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} It was an exchange of the Queen's Government into
 
the hands of the Provisional Government, with the same offices.
 
the hands of the Provisional Government, with the same offices.
Mr. MOORE. It was.
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The CHAIRMAN. Prom your observation of the effect upon this Government
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} It was.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} From your observation of the effect upon this Government
 
called the Provisional Government during the time that you
 
called the Provisional Government during the time that you
 
remained in Honolulu, could you say that it was a good or bad Government.
 
remained in Honolulu, could you say that it was a good or bad Government.
Mr. MOORE. It is my opinion that it was a good Government.
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The CHAIRMAN. One that the people had confidence in?
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} It is my opinion that it was a good Government.
Mr. MOORE. Yes; that is my reason for thinking it was a good Government—
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} One that the people had confidence in?
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} Yes; that is my reason for thinking it was a good Government—
 
because the people had confidence in it.
 
because the people had confidence in it.
The CHAIRMAN. "YOU have an acquaintance more or less special
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} You have an acquaintance more or less special
 
with a number of the leading men in Honolulu?
 
with a number of the leading men in Honolulu?
Mr. MOORE. Yes.
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The CHAIRMAN. The thinking men, the business men, and the men
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} Yes.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} The thinking men, the business men, and the men
 
who controlled in political affairs?
 
who controlled in political affairs?
Mr. MOORE. Yes.
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. Taking the personnel of this new Government, the
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Taking the personnel of this new Government, the
 
committee of safety, and the councillors who have been appointed, and
 
committee of safety, and the councillors who have been appointed, and
 
the president and the cabinet, and generally the officers and attaches
 
the president and the cabinet, and generally the officers and attaches
 
and employes of this new Government, what would you say of them as
 
and employes of this new Government, what would you say of them as
 
a class?
 
a class?
Mr. MOORE. AS a class I think they are an excellent set of men.
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} As a class I think they are an excellent set of men.
 
That is, those in the higher positions. Most of them, many of them,
 
That is, those in the higher positions. Most of them, many of them,
 
would ornament any society.
 
would ornament any society.
The CHAIRMAN. They are men of real ability and character?
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Mr. MOORE. Men of ability and character. Of those who occupy the
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} They are men of real ability and character?
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} Men of ability and character. Of those who occupy the
 
lower positions I know very little.
 
lower positions I know very little.
The CHAIRMAN. Will you say that the disposition of these people
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Will you say that the disposition of these people
 
of whom you have spoken as being the controlling men in the islands
 
of whom you have spoken as being the controlling men in the islands
 
there tended to deprave and degenerate the people, or that the tendency
 
there tended to deprave and degenerate the people, or that the tendency
 
was in the opposite direction?
 
was in the opposite direction?
Mr. MOORE. Of the Provisional Government?
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The CHAIRMAN. Yes.
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} Of the Provisional Government?
Mr. MOORE. On the contrary, I think the tendency is to improve
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Yes.
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} On the contrary, I think the tendency is to improve
 
the social relations. Many of them are men against whom I never
 
the social relations. Many of them are men against whom I never
 
have heard a word said—men recognized there as men of means and
 
have heard a word said—men recognized there as men of means and
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They are temperate men, perhaps a quarter to a third of them total abstainers,
 
They are temperate men, perhaps a quarter to a third of them total abstainers,
 
and as a rule Christians.
 
and as a rule Christians.
The CHAIRMAN. Then you would say that society of Honolula
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Then you would say that society of Honolula
 
which has the controlling influence in Hawaii is composed of men of
 
which has the controlling influence in Hawaii is composed of men of
 
the Anglo Saxon extraction, with their families, and that they are
 
the Anglo Saxon extraction, with their families, and that they are
 
men of high grade of character?
 
men of high grade of character?
Mr. MOORE. Decidedly so. Many of these men have been educated
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} Decidedly so. Many of these men have been educated
 
in our American colleges, and are well educated, well read men.
 
in our American colleges, and are well educated, well read men.
The CHAIRMAN. Have you had occasion to examine a harbor there
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Have you had occasion to examine a harbor there
 
called Pearl River harbor?
 
called Pearl River harbor?
Mr. MOORE. I have been in Pearl Harbor.
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The CHAIRMAN. IS there any river emptying into it?
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} I have been in Pearl Harbor.
Mr. MOORE. Small streams, I think; perhaps two or three small
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Is there any river emptying into it?
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} Small streams, I think; perhaps two or three small
 
streams.
 
streams.
The CHAIRMAN. Have you any knowledge of the depth of the water
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Have you any knowledge of the depth of the water
 
inside the bar there?
 
inside the bar there?
Mr. MOORE. The water inside the bar is very deep for inside water,
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} The water inside the bar is very deep for inside water,
 
being in some places 20 fathoms, but mostly from 5 to 7 fathoms.
 
being in some places 20 fathoms, but mostly from 5 to 7 fathoms.
The CHAIRMAN. Does that deep water extend back any distance
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from the bar ?
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Does that deep water extend back any distance
Mr. MOORE. It extends about 5 miles.
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from the bar?
Senator BUTLER. What is the extent of that harbor, approximately?
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Mr. MOORE. It is about 4 miles long by 3 miles deep in the extreme.
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} It extends about 5 miles.
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Senator {{sc|Butler.}} What is the extent of that harbor, approximately?
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} It is about 4 miles long by 3 miles deep in the extreme.
 
But it is cut up by islands and small peninsulas running out into it, so
 
But it is cut up by islands and small peninsulas running out into it, so
 
that it has three or more arms to it.
 
that it has three or more arms to it.
The CHAIRMAN. Is the shore around it and the peninsulas of which
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Is the shore around it and the peninsulas of which
 
you speak of such an elevation as to justify the opinion that it could be
 
you speak of such an elevation as to justify the opinion that it could be
easily fortified ?
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easily fortified?
Mr. MOORE. I do think it could be easily fortified; and strongly
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} I do think it could be easily fortified; and strongly
 
fortified.
 
fortified.
The CHAIRMAN. The fortification next to the ocean?
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Mr. MOORE. Next to the ocean, and torpedoes in the channel. With
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} The fortification next to the ocean?
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Mr. {{sc|Moore.}} Next to the ocean, and torpedoes in the channel. With
 
long-range guns of the present day, it might be reached at the distance
 
long-range guns of the present day, it might be reached at the distance
 
a vessel would have to remain at sea; but the shots would be uncertain.
 
a vessel would have to remain at sea; but the shots would be uncertain.

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The Chairman. Does that include persons having Kanaka blood?

Mr. Moore. A great many of them.

The Chairman. Are they good people?

Mr. Moore. Charming people. Some of my friends there were amongst the natives and half whites. My immediate associates were mostly among the whites; but I was entertained by both natives and whites.

The Chairman. Was there any obvious damper thrown upon the society of Honolulu by the accession of this Provisional Government or authority? Did people seem to hold it in dread, or did the social amenities among the families of Honolulu proceed as they had done before?

Mr. Moore. Sociability ceased for a little while after the outbreak, but soon continued much as before. At general grtherings you would see the families of those interested in the Provisional Government associating freely with those who were known to be Royalists and the Queen's adherents. So far as the social relations were concerned the change of government did not seem to have much effect; that is, from the outward appearance of social relations, the change of government seemed to have little effect.

The Chairman. There was no line of demarcation drawn in society upon the question of loyalty or disloyalty to the Queen?

Mr. Moore. I think not.

The Chairman. How is commerce affected by this change?

Mr. Moore. I know of that by hearing people talk. At first the business seemed to be checked, but after a few days it seemed to revive and there seemed to be more confidence. There seemed to be confidence in their business relations after a few days. As to that, not being engaged in any commercial pursuits myself, I only state that from hearsay— as to the checking of business and its increase thereafter— although I remember gentlemen stating that stocks increased in value within a few days and stocks were going up.

The Chairman. As to the commerce with the outside world. Was there any restraint imposed upon it by the Provisional Government?

Mr. Moore. I think not.

The Chairman. Things seem to be going on as before?

Mr. Moore. Things were going on as before.

The Chairman. In charge of the same officers?

Mr. Moore. In charge of the same officers.

The Chairman. It was an exchange of the Queen's Government into the hands of the Provisional Government, with the same offices.

Mr. Moore. It was.

The Chairman. From your observation of the effect upon this Government called the Provisional Government during the time that you remained in Honolulu, could you say that it was a good or bad Government.

Mr. Moore. It is my opinion that it was a good Government.

The Chairman. One that the people had confidence in?

Mr. Moore. Yes; that is my reason for thinking it was a good Government— because the people had confidence in it.

The Chairman. You have an acquaintance more or less special with a number of the leading men in Honolulu?

Mr. Moore. Yes.

The Chairman. The thinking men, the business men, and the men who controlled in political affairs?

Mr. Moore. Yes.

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The Chairman. Taking the personnel of this new Government, the committee of safety, and the councillors who have been appointed, and the president and the cabinet, and generally the officers and attaches and employes of this new Government, what would you say of them as a class?

Mr. Moore. As a class I think they are an excellent set of men. That is, those in the higher positions. Most of them, many of them, would ornament any society.

The Chairman. They are men of real ability and character?

Mr. Moore. Men of ability and character. Of those who occupy the lower positions I know very little.

The Chairman. Will you say that the disposition of these people of whom you have spoken as being the controlling men in the islands there tended to deprave and degenerate the people, or that the tendency was in the opposite direction?

Mr. Moore. Of the Provisional Government?

The Chairman. Yes.

Mr. Moore. On the contrary, I think the tendency is to improve the social relations. Many of them are men against whom I never have heard a word said—men recognized there as men of means and ability, and most of them are temperate men. I will change that. They are temperate men, perhaps a quarter to a third of them total abstainers, and as a rule Christians.

The Chairman. Then you would say that society of Honolula which has the controlling influence in Hawaii is composed of men of the Anglo Saxon extraction, with their families, and that they are men of high grade of character?

Mr. Moore. Decidedly so. Many of these men have been educated in our American colleges, and are well educated, well read men.

The Chairman. Have you had occasion to examine a harbor there called Pearl River harbor?

Mr. Moore. I have been in Pearl Harbor.

The Chairman. Is there any river emptying into it?

Mr. Moore. Small streams, I think; perhaps two or three small streams.

The Chairman. Have you any knowledge of the depth of the water inside the bar there?

Mr. Moore. The water inside the bar is very deep for inside water, being in some places 20 fathoms, but mostly from 5 to 7 fathoms.

The Chairman. Does that deep water extend back any distance from the bar?

Mr. Moore. It extends about 5 miles.

Senator Butler. What is the extent of that harbor, approximately?

Mr. Moore. It is about 4 miles long by 3 miles deep in the extreme. But it is cut up by islands and small peninsulas running out into it, so that it has three or more arms to it.

The Chairman. Is the shore around it and the peninsulas of which you speak of such an elevation as to justify the opinion that it could be easily fortified?

Mr. Moore. I do think it could be easily fortified; and strongly fortified.

The Chairman. The fortification next to the ocean?

Mr. Moore. Next to the ocean, and torpedoes in the channel. With long-range guns of the present day, it might be reached at the distance a vessel would have to remain at sea; but the shots would be uncertain.