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United States. I am familiar with the celebration of the 4th of July in
 
United States. I am familiar with the celebration of the 4th of July in
 
my country fifty years ago, when they celebrated as they now do in
 
my country fifty years ago, when they celebrated as they now do in
 
Hawaii.
 
Hawaii.
The CHAIRMAN. IS it regarded as a fete day I
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Mr. STEVENS. AS a fete day.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Is it regarded as a fete day?
The CHAIRMAN. HOW about the proclamations of Thanksgiving that
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} As a fete day.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} How about the proclamations of Thanksgiving that
 
go from the President out there?
 
go from the President out there?
Mr. STEVENS. That is used in the churches, and much regarded, but
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} That is used in the churches, and much regarded, but
 
not the same degree as the 4th of July; but it is still a very important
 
not the same degree as the 4th of July; but it is still a very important
 
day.
 
day.
The CHAIRMAN. IS that regaded by the Kanaka population ? Do
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they participate in the sentiment upon the request of our President1?
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Is that regaded by the Kanaka population? Do
Mr. STEVENS. I think so.
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they participate in the sentiment upon the request of our President?
The CHAIRMAN. Are you aware of the existence of a similar state of
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I think so.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Are you aware of the existence of a similar state of
 
feeling on the part of the Hawaiian people, the Kanakas, toward any
 
feeling on the part of the Hawaiian people, the Kanakas, toward any
 
other foreign government?
 
other foreign government?
Mr. STEVENS. No.
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The CHAIRMAN. Do you understand and do you believe and do you
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} No.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Do you understand and do you believe and do you
 
state, upon your understanding and belief, that there is an affectionate
 
state, upon your understanding and belief, that there is an affectionate
 
regard or sentiment on the part of the Kanaka population toward the
 
regard or sentiment on the part of the Kanaka population toward the
 
people and Government of the United States?
 
people and Government of the United States?
Mr. STEVENS. Yes; I will say the responsible portion of them.
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The CnAiRMAN. How about the irresponsible, the ignorant people?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Yes; I will say the responsible portion of them.
Mr. STEVENS. The irresponsible, what we call the hoodlum—I use
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} How about the irresponsible, the ignorant people?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} The irresponsible, what we call the hoodlum—I use
 
that term for convenience—are gathered in Honolulu, as they would be
 
that term for convenience—are gathered in Honolulu, as they would be
 
in any country, at the capital. That element is comparatively small
 
in any country, at the capital. That element is comparatively small
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numerous, and if they only get their point and things go on, they are
 
numerous, and if they only get their point and things go on, they are
 
satisfied.
 
satisfied.
The CHAIRMAN. I am speaking of the principal body of the Hawaiian
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} I am speaking of the principal body of the Hawaiian
 
people, who reside in the country.
 
people, who reside in the country.
Mr. STEVENS. I would divide those in three classes: the first led by
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I would divide those in three classes: the first led by
 
Mr. Kanhana and others like him. That makes the responsible and
 
Mr. Kanhana and others like him. That makes the responsible and
 
the religious element, led by the Americans. Then there would be
 
the religious element, led by the Americans. Then there would be
 
the portion living in the country districts who do not care one way or the
 
the portion living in the country districts who do not care one way or the
 
other.
 
other.
The CHAIRMAN. Indifferent?
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Mr. STEVENS. Indifferent. If the demagogues were to go to them
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Indifferent?
and say, " The Americans are going to take away your lands," they
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Indifferent. If the demagogues were to go to them
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and say, "The Americans are going to take away your lands," they
 
would get up a feeling, and they would all act at once. And then the
 
would get up a feeling, and they would all act at once. And then the
 
hoodlum element—a few hundred dollars would buy them and use them,
 
hoodlum element—a few hundred dollars would buy them and use them,
 
as the worst element in our cities.
 
as the worst element in our cities.
The CHAIRMAN. Subject to be controlled, because they are purchaseable?
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Mr. STEVENS. Purchaseable. They would not do any very great
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Subject to be controlled, because they are purchaseable?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Purchaseable. They would not do any very great
 
harm, but they are corrupt.
 
harm, but they are corrupt.
The CHAIRMAN. Considering the condition that Honolulu is in, and
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Considering the condition that Honolulu is in, and
 
considering all the facts that you have been commenting upon, what
 
considering all the facts that you have been commenting upon, what
 
was your reason for requesting or directing the raising of the flag and
 
was your reason for requesting or directing the raising of the flag and
 
the establishment of a protectorate in Honolulu?
 
the establishment of a protectorate in Honolulu?
Mr. STEVENS. I have it here in writing; but I think I can condense
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I have it here in writing; but I think I can condense
 
it better.
 
it better.
Senator FRYE. One moment before that question is answered, if the
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} One moment before that question is answered, if the
 
chairman please.
 
chairman please.
The CHAIRMAN. Yes.
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Yes.
Senator FRYE. YOU have been over the recognition of the Provisional
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} You have been over the recognition of the Provisional
 
Government and closed that chapter. In the recognition of the Provisional
 
Government and closed that chapter. In the recognition of the Provisional
 
Government did you ask anything about the barracks and the
 
Government did you ask anything about the barracks and the
 
station house?
 
station house?
Mr. STEVENS. I did not go into the particulars.
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Senator FRYE. What importance on the question of the recognition
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I did not go into the particulars.
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} What importance on the question of the recognition
 
of the Provisional Government did the barracks and the police station
 
of the Provisional Government did the barracks and the police station
 
have?
 
have?
Mr. STEVENS. None whatever. As I have stated before, there was
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} None whatever. As I have stated before, there was
 
an absolute interregnum, and there was no effective force for the Queen
 
an absolute interregnum, and there was no effective force for the Queen
 
at any time.
 
at any time.
Senator FRYE. In determining upon the question of recognition, did
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} In determining upon the question of recognition, did
 
you take into consideration at all the surrender of the barracks or the
 
you take into consideration at all the surrender of the barracks or the
police station ?
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police station?
Mr. STEVENS. No.
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Senator FRYE. Capt. Wiltse is reported to have said that he would
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} No.
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} Capt. Wiltse is reported to have said that he would
 
not recognize the Provisional Government until the barracks and
 
not recognize the Provisional Government until the barracks and
 
police station had surrendered. Had Capt. Wiltse any authority in the
 
police station had surrendered. Had Capt. Wiltse any authority in the
 
premises, if he said so?
 
premises, if he said so?
Mr. STEVENS. I would say that he never had any such conversation
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I would say that he never had any such conversation
 
with me, and I have no idea he said anything of the kind.
 
with me, and I have no idea he said anything of the kind.
Senator FRYE. IS not the question of recognition a question entirely
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Senator {{sc|Frye.}} Is not the question of recognition a question entirely
 
and solely for the American minister?
 
and solely for the American minister?
Mr. STEVENS. I would say so. So far as the American Government
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I would say so. So far as the American Government
 
is concerned, absolutely and entirely.
 
is concerned, absolutely and entirely.
The CHAIRMAN. Was that request of the Provisional Government
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Was that request of the Provisional Government
 
made in writing?
 
made in writing?
Mr. STEVENS. I think so.
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The CHAIRMAN. IS it there?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I think so.
Mr. STEVENS. I think it is on file at the legation. In answer to the
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Is it there?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I think it is on file at the legation. In answer to the
 
question of the chairman put a few moments ago I will proceed to state:
 
question of the chairman put a few moments ago I will proceed to state:
 
These volunteer troops had been taken from their business for two
 
These volunteer troops had been taken from their business for two
weeks. The Japanese Government had apowerful ironclad that was soon
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weeks. The Japanese Government had a powerful ironclad that was soon
 
expected. They had one ship there, but they had sent it off to Hilo, and
 
expected. They had one ship there, but they had sent it off to Hilo, and
 
of that visit to Hilo we got information, which I sent to the Department,
 
of that visit to Hilo we got information, which I sent to the Department,
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Commissioner had but recently arrived. He came to me prior to my
 
Commissioner had but recently arrived. He came to me prior to my
 
going to Hilo and prior to the fall of the Queen and said that he wanted
 
going to Hilo and prior to the fall of the Queen and said that he wanted
the same rights of suffrage for the Japanese that other nation alii ies
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the same rights of suffrage for the Japanese that other nationalities
 
had. He wanted to get my encouragement, to find out what I was
 
had. He wanted to get my encouragement, to find out what I was
 
about. That was before I went to Hilo. Of course I had to be very
 
about. That was before I went to Hilo. Of course I had to be very
 
diplomatic and did not make him any pledges or any signs.
 
diplomatic and did not make him any pledges or any signs.
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At about the same time he had made this demand on the Queen's
 
At about the same time he had made this demand on the Queen's
 
Government, which was before the overthrow, and which was followed
 
Government, which was before the overthrow, and which was followed
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was a good opportunity for the Japanese and the Queen's supporters.
 
was a good opportunity for the Japanese and the Queen's supporters.
 
The commissioner had sent a request to Tokio by the Claudine, which
 
The commissioner had sent a request to Tokio by the Claudine, which
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United States. I am familiar with the celebration of the 4th of July in my country fifty years ago, when they celebrated as they now do in Hawaii.

The Chairman. Is it regarded as a fete day?

Mr. Stevens. As a fete day.

The Chairman. How about the proclamations of Thanksgiving that go from the President out there?

Mr. Stevens. That is used in the churches, and much regarded, but not the same degree as the 4th of July; but it is still a very important day.

The Chairman. Is that regaded by the Kanaka population? Do they participate in the sentiment upon the request of our President?

Mr. Stevens. I think so.

The Chairman. Are you aware of the existence of a similar state of feeling on the part of the Hawaiian people, the Kanakas, toward any other foreign government?

Mr. Stevens. No.

The Chairman. Do you understand and do you believe and do you state, upon your understanding and belief, that there is an affectionate regard or sentiment on the part of the Kanaka population toward the people and Government of the United States?

Mr. Stevens. Yes; I will say the responsible portion of them.

The Chairman. How about the irresponsible, the ignorant people?

Mr. Stevens. The irresponsible, what we call the hoodlum—I use that term for convenience—are gathered in Honolulu, as they would be in any country, at the capital. That element is comparatively small in numbers, but it makes a good deal of noise, and is under the control of the white adventurers. And there is another element, which is quite numerous, and if they only get their point and things go on, they are satisfied.

The Chairman. I am speaking of the principal body of the Hawaiian people, who reside in the country.

Mr. Stevens. I would divide those in three classes: the first led by Mr. Kanhana and others like him. That makes the responsible and the religious element, led by the Americans. Then there would be the portion living in the country districts who do not care one way or the other.

The Chairman. Indifferent?

Mr. Stevens. Indifferent. If the demagogues were to go to them and say, "The Americans are going to take away your lands," they would get up a feeling, and they would all act at once. And then the hoodlum element—a few hundred dollars would buy them and use them, as the worst element in our cities.

The Chairman. Subject to be controlled, because they are purchaseable?

Mr. Stevens. Purchaseable. They would not do any very great harm, but they are corrupt.

The Chairman. Considering the condition that Honolulu is in, and considering all the facts that you have been commenting upon, what was your reason for requesting or directing the raising of the flag and the establishment of a protectorate in Honolulu?

Mr. Stevens. I have it here in writing; but I think I can condense it better.

Senator Frye. One moment before that question is answered, if the chairman please.

The Chairman. Yes.

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Senator Frye. You have been over the recognition of the Provisional Government and closed that chapter. In the recognition of the Provisional Government did you ask anything about the barracks and the station house?

Mr. Stevens. I did not go into the particulars.

Senator Frye. What importance on the question of the recognition of the Provisional Government did the barracks and the police station have?

Mr. Stevens. None whatever. As I have stated before, there was an absolute interregnum, and there was no effective force for the Queen at any time.

Senator Frye. In determining upon the question of recognition, did you take into consideration at all the surrender of the barracks or the police station?

Mr. Stevens. No.

Senator Frye. Capt. Wiltse is reported to have said that he would not recognize the Provisional Government until the barracks and police station had surrendered. Had Capt. Wiltse any authority in the premises, if he said so?

Mr. Stevens. I would say that he never had any such conversation with me, and I have no idea he said anything of the kind.

Senator Frye. Is not the question of recognition a question entirely and solely for the American minister?

Mr. Stevens. I would say so. So far as the American Government is concerned, absolutely and entirely.

The Chairman. Was that request of the Provisional Government made in writing?

Mr. Stevens. I think so.

The Chairman. Is it there?

Mr. Stevens. I think it is on file at the legation. In answer to the question of the chairman put a few moments ago I will proceed to state: These volunteer troops had been taken from their business for two weeks. The Japanese Government had a powerful ironclad that was soon expected. They had one ship there, but they had sent it off to Hilo, and of that visit to Hilo we got information, which I sent to the Department, that the Japanese were testing the sentiment of the men upon the plantations as to whether they would aid the Japanese. Now, right here, it is important that I should be specific. The Japanese Commissioner had but recently arrived. He came to me prior to my going to Hilo and prior to the fall of the Queen and said that he wanted the same rights of suffrage for the Japanese that other nationalities had. He wanted to get my encouragement, to find out what I was about. That was before I went to Hilo. Of course I had to be very diplomatic and did not make him any pledges or any signs.

At about the same time he had made this demand on the Queen's Government, which was before the overthrow, and which was followed up immediately on the Provisional Government—to give them the right of suffrage. On the island of Oahu, as the reports came to me, they had 700 or 800 Japanese who had been in the Japanese army. Information came to the Provisional Government and came to me that the adherents of the Queen, in a revolutionary attempt to replace her just at this time before the flag was put up, might call upon the Japanese laborers and residents, and that the Queen would promise them, for the sake of their aid, that they should have the right of suffrage. There was a good opportunity for the Japanese and the Queen's supporters. The commissioner had sent a request to Tokio by the Claudine, which

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