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Mr. STEVENS. The committee called and presented their document,
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} The committee called and presented their document,
 
which I have made of record among the documents.
 
which I have made of record among the documents.
Senator GRAY. When did they call!
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Mr. STEVENS. I think they called right after the close of their massmeeting.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} When did they call?
Senator GEAY. That was on Monday?
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Mr. STEVENS. Monday.
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I think they called right after the close of their mass-meeting.
Senator GRAY. Did you see any of them on Saturday or Monday?
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Mr. STEVENS. I do not remember that I did. If I did, I saw them as
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} That was on Monday?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Monday.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Did you see any of them on Saturday or Monday?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I do not remember that I did. If I did, I saw them as
 
individuals.
 
individuals.
Senator GEAY. I mean as individuals?
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Mr. STEVENS. I may have seen one or more of them; I can not say
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} I mean as individuals?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I may have seen one or more of them; I can not say
 
that I did. If I saw them, I saw them just as I did the other side.
 
that I did. If I saw them, I saw them just as I did the other side.
 
They had every access, both sides, to the legation; but the leaders of
 
They had every access, both sides, to the legation; but the leaders of
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He nor his wife never hinted to me his intention, and it was so of all
 
He nor his wife never hinted to me his intention, and it was so of all
 
the others.
 
the others.
Senator GEAY. Did Mr. Thurston call upon you during any of those
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Did Mr. Thurston call upon you during any of those
 
four days?
 
four days?
Mr. STEVENS. Mr. Thurston, I think, called upon me once. Mr.
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Mr. Thurston, I think, called upon me once. Mr.
 
Thurston was taken sick, if I remember aright, on Monday, after the
 
Thurston was taken sick, if I remember aright, on Monday, after the
 
mass meeting. I think he was sick and did not go out. I did not see
 
mass meeting. I think he was sick and did not go out. I did not see
 
him again until he left on the Claudine for Washington. I saw him
 
him again until he left on the Claudine for Washington. I saw him
for a few moments only before he went on board the Claudine,
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for a few moments only before he went on board the ''Claudine''.
Senator GEAY. Did you see Mr. Cooper during these days?
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Mr. STEVENS. Not at the legation.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Did you see Mr. Cooper during these days?
Senator GEAY. Or anywhere else?
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Mr. STEVENS. Nor anywhere else.
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Not at the legation.
Senator GEAY. Did you see Mr. Cooper on board the Bostonl
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Mr. STEVENS. No.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Or anywhere else?
Senator GEAY. Did you see Mr. Castle on board the Boston^
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Mr. STEVENS. I did not. Mr. William R. Castle was a member of
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Nor anywhere else.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Did you see Mr. Cooper on board the ''Boston''?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} No.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Did you see Mr. Castle on board the ''Boston''?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I did not. Mr. William R. Castle was a member of
 
the committee of safety, and he called when they presented their request.
 
the committee of safety, and he called when they presented their request.
Senator GRAY. Did you see Mr. W. O. Smith ?
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Mr. STEVENS. That is when they called and presented the request
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Did you see Mr. W. O. Smith ?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} That is when they called and presented the request
 
of the committee of safety. I think only the subcommittee of three
 
of the committee of safety. I think only the subcommittee of three
 
called. Of course, there were so many who called during the three or
 
called. Of course, there were so many who called during the three or
 
four exciting days that I can not remember in each case who did call; I
 
four exciting days that I can not remember in each case who did call; I
 
have to go on memory.
 
have to go on memory.
Senator GRAY. Did you state to Mr. Thurston when he called, that
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the troops would have to be landed from the Bostonf
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Did you state to Mr. Thurston when he called, that
Mr. STEVENS. Not at all. My answer was the same—when the
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the troops would have to be landed from the ''Boston''?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Not at all. My answer was the same—when the
 
troops landed it would be for the purpose of protecting life and property.
 
troops landed it would be for the purpose of protecting life and property.
Senator GRAY. YOU say you made no statement to Mr. Thurston
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about landing troops ?
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} You say you made no statement to Mr. Thurston
Mr. STEVENS. I do not remember any. I may have stated, as I did
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about landing troops?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I do not remember any. I may have stated, as I did
 
to other gentlemen—that the troops might be landed. I used great
 
to other gentlemen—that the troops might be landed. I used great
caution in my language; and j-ou may be quite sure of this, that I was
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caution in my language; and you may be quite sure of this, that I was
quite as courteous to the royalist einmissaries as I was to the others.
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quite as courteous to the royalist emmissaries as I was to the others.
 
There was reason: Mr. Thurston and Mr. Dole and others were men
 
There was reason: Mr. Thurston and Mr. Dole and others were men
 
of too much sense to embarrass me with improper questions.
 
of too much sense to embarrass me with improper questions.
Senator GEAY. Did Mr. Thurston state to you on that occasion that
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Did Mr. Thurston state to you on that occasion that
 
they had a proposition for establishing a provisional government?
 
they had a proposition for establishing a provisional government?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} No; it would have been absurd for him to have so
Mr. STEVENS. NO; it would have been absurd for him to have so
 
 
stated. It was generally talked that the opponents of the Queen
 
stated. It was generally talked that the opponents of the Queen
 
would form a new government.
 
would form a new government.
Senator GRAY. That they were going to establish a provisional
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} That they were going to establish a provisional
 
government?
 
government?
Mr. STEVENS. Yes. When the Queen failed on Saturday, at the
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Yes. When the Queen failed on Saturday, at the
 
churches and everywhere else they were talking over the situation,
 
churches and everywhere else they were talking over the situation,
 
and what they would do. They called a mass meeting for Monday,
 
and what they would do. They called a mass meeting for Monday,
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form of government, and that was notorious, and they would not have
 
form of government, and that was notorious, and they would not have
 
to give me any special information.
 
to give me any special information.
Senator GRAY. Whom did you get your information from; you say it
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Whom did you get your information from; you say it
 
was notorious?
 
was notorious?
Mr. STEVENS. Such parties as would call there at the legation.
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Such parties as would call there at the legation.
 
Men and ladies called there from both sides.
 
Men and ladies called there from both sides.
Senator GRAY. Did you state to Mr. Thurston on the occasion when
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Did you state to Mr. Thurston on the occasion when
 
you state he may have called—I think you said he did call?
 
you state he may have called—I think you said he did call?
Mr. STEVENS. I think he called on Sunday. If he did he remained
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I think he called on Sunday. If he did he remained
 
but a few minutes.
 
but a few minutes.
Senator GRAY. Did you say to him when the Government was established
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Did you say to him when the Government was established
 
and actually in the possession of the archives and buildings
 
and actually in the possession of the archives and buildings
 
that you would recognize it?
 
that you would recognize it?
Mr. STEVENS. It was not necessary. He and those acting with him
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knew i>erfectly well that the de facto government would have to be
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} It was not necessary. He and those acting with him
recognized, and Judge Doleand Mr. Thurston understand international
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knew perfectly well that the ''de facto'' government would have to be
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recognized, and Judge Dole and Mr. Thurston understand international
 
law and usage as well as any of us. Judge Dole was too intelligent to
 
law and usage as well as any of us. Judge Dole was too intelligent to
 
ask me what I would do in the contingency named.
 
ask me what I would do in the contingency named.
Senator GRAY. When did the communication come to you at the
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} When did the communication come to you at the
 
legation, asking you to land the troops?
 
legation, asking you to land the troops?
Mr. STEVENS. That came to me on Monday just after the mass meeting.
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Senator GRAY. Who brought it?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} That came to me on Monday just after the mass meeting.
Mr. STEVENS. It was this committee of safety; I presume it was
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only a rjart of them; I think there were three.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Who brought it?
Senator GRAY. The committee of safety was composed of 13 members?
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Mr. STEVENS. I think there was a subcommittee of three. Mr. Castle
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} It was this committee of safety; I presume it was
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only a part of them; I think there were three.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} The committee of safety was composed of 13 members?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I think there was a subcommittee of three. Mr. Castle
 
was one, Mr. Smith another; the third I can not recall.
 
was one, Mr. Smith another; the third I can not recall.
Senator GRAY. That was before you went on board the Boston?
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Mr. STEVENS. Yes. I could not state the precise hour—whether
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} That was before you went on board the ''Boston''?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Yes. I could not state the precise hour—whether
 
it was 3, or half-past 3, or 4.
 
it was 3, or half-past 3, or 4.
Senator GRAY. And immediately after you went on board the Boston
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} And immediately after you went on board the Boston
 
and requested the landing of the troops?
 
and requested the landing of the troops?
Mr. STEVENS. Very soon. And my note was drawn up before the
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Very soon. And my note was drawn up before the
 
committee called, and if it had not called I would have made the
 
committee called, and if it had not called I would have made the
 
request.
 
request.
Senator GRAY. And you saw Capt. Wiltse that day?
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Mr. STEVENS. Capt. Wiltse called at the legation probably nearly
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} And you saw Capt. Wiltse that day?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Capt. Wiltse called at the legation probably nearly
 
every day after we got back from Hilo.
 
every day after we got back from Hilo.
Senator GRAY. I understood you to say that you went on board the
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} I understood you to say that you went on board the
 
Boston some time about 4 o'clock, you could not be precise as to the
 
Boston some time about 4 o'clock, you could not be precise as to the
 
time, but it was after you received this communication from the subcommittee
 
time, but it was after you received this communication from the subcommittee
 
of safety. Now, I understood you to say, that prior to your
 
of safety. Now, I understood you to say, that prior to your
going on Capt. W ilbtosea?r d the Boston that day you had a full conference with
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going on board the ''Boston'' that day you had a full conference with Capt. Wiltse?

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Mr. Stevens. The committee called and presented their document, which I have made of record among the documents.

Senator Gray. When did they call?

Mr. Stevens. I think they called right after the close of their mass-meeting.

Senator Gray. That was on Monday?

Mr. Stevens. Monday.

Senator Gray. Did you see any of them on Saturday or Monday?

Mr. Stevens. I do not remember that I did. If I did, I saw them as individuals.

Senator Gray. I mean as individuals?

Mr. Stevens. I may have seen one or more of them; I can not say that I did. If I saw them, I saw them just as I did the other side. They had every access, both sides, to the legation; but the leaders of the Provisional Government were men of brains, and they did not embarrass me by coming there and letting me know their plans. And that is what I said of Mr. Dole, who is alleged to have conspired with me. He nor his wife never hinted to me his intention, and it was so of all the others.

Senator Gray. Did Mr. Thurston call upon you during any of those four days?

Mr. Stevens. Mr. Thurston, I think, called upon me once. Mr. Thurston was taken sick, if I remember aright, on Monday, after the mass meeting. I think he was sick and did not go out. I did not see him again until he left on the Claudine for Washington. I saw him for a few moments only before he went on board the Claudine.

Senator Gray. Did you see Mr. Cooper during these days?

Mr. Stevens. Not at the legation.

Senator Gray. Or anywhere else?

Mr. Stevens. Nor anywhere else.

Senator Gray. Did you see Mr. Cooper on board the Boston?

Mr. Stevens. No.

Senator Gray. Did you see Mr. Castle on board the Boston?

Mr. Stevens. I did not. Mr. William R. Castle was a member of the committee of safety, and he called when they presented their request.

Senator Gray. Did you see Mr. W. O. Smith ?

Mr. Stevens. That is when they called and presented the request of the committee of safety. I think only the subcommittee of three called. Of course, there were so many who called during the three or four exciting days that I can not remember in each case who did call; I have to go on memory.

Senator Gray. Did you state to Mr. Thurston when he called, that the troops would have to be landed from the Boston?

Mr. Stevens. Not at all. My answer was the same—when the troops landed it would be for the purpose of protecting life and property.

Senator Gray. You say you made no statement to Mr. Thurston about landing troops?

Mr. Stevens. I do not remember any. I may have stated, as I did to other gentlemen—that the troops might be landed. I used great caution in my language; and you may be quite sure of this, that I was quite as courteous to the royalist emmissaries as I was to the others. There was reason: Mr. Thurston and Mr. Dole and others were men of too much sense to embarrass me with improper questions.

Senator Gray. Did Mr. Thurston state to you on that occasion that they had a proposition for establishing a provisional government?

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Mr. Stevens. No; it would have been absurd for him to have so stated. It was generally talked that the opponents of the Queen would form a new government.

Senator Gray. That they were going to establish a provisional government?

Mr. Stevens. Yes. When the Queen failed on Saturday, at the churches and everywhere else they were talking over the situation, and what they would do. They called a mass meeting for Monday, and appointed a committee of safety and proposed to establish some form of government, and that was notorious, and they would not have to give me any special information.

Senator Gray. Whom did you get your information from; you say it was notorious?

Mr. Stevens. Such parties as would call there at the legation. Men and ladies called there from both sides.

Senator Gray. Did you state to Mr. Thurston on the occasion when you state he may have called—I think you said he did call?

Mr. Stevens. I think he called on Sunday. If he did he remained but a few minutes.

Senator Gray. Did you say to him when the Government was established and actually in the possession of the archives and buildings that you would recognize it?

Mr. Stevens. It was not necessary. He and those acting with him knew perfectly well that the de facto government would have to be recognized, and Judge Dole and Mr. Thurston understand international law and usage as well as any of us. Judge Dole was too intelligent to ask me what I would do in the contingency named.

Senator Gray. When did the communication come to you at the legation, asking you to land the troops?

Mr. Stevens. That came to me on Monday just after the mass meeting.

Senator Gray. Who brought it?

Mr. Stevens. It was this committee of safety; I presume it was only a part of them; I think there were three.

Senator Gray. The committee of safety was composed of 13 members?

Mr. Stevens. I think there was a subcommittee of three. Mr. Castle was one, Mr. Smith another; the third I can not recall.

Senator Gray. That was before you went on board the Boston?

Mr. Stevens. Yes. I could not state the precise hour—whether it was 3, or half-past 3, or 4.

Senator Gray. And immediately after you went on board the Boston and requested the landing of the troops?

Mr. Stevens. Very soon. And my note was drawn up before the committee called, and if it had not called I would have made the request.

Senator Gray. And you saw Capt. Wiltse that day?

Mr. Stevens. Capt. Wiltse called at the legation probably nearly every day after we got back from Hilo.

Senator Gray. I understood you to say that you went on board the Boston some time about 4 o'clock, you could not be precise as to the time, but it was after you received this communication from the subcommittee of safety. Now, I understood you to say, that prior to your going on board the Boston that day you had a full conference with Capt. Wiltse?