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Mr. STEVENS. NO ; I did not say that. I presume I had. I think
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} No; I did not say that. I presume I had. I think
 
he called there on Sunday.
 
he called there on Sunday.
Senator GRAY. On that Saturday or Sunday, when you had this
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} On that Saturday or Sunday, when you had this
 
conference with Capt. Wiltse, was it arranged that he should land the
 
conference with Capt. Wiltse, was it arranged that he should land the
 
troops upon your making the request?
 
troops upon your making the request?
Mr. STEVENS. The understanding was, if I did make the request,
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} The understanding was, if I did make the request,
 
the troops would be landed.
 
the troops would be landed.
Senator GRAY. What was necessary?
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Mr. STEVENS. If it became necessary to land, that I would have to
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} What was necessary?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} If it became necessary to land, that I would have to
 
make the request. That was the official way, and I had the legation
 
make the request. That was the official way, and I had the legation
 
records before me running back twenty-five years. They could not
 
records before me running back twenty-five years. They could not
 
land until the request came from me.
 
land until the request came from me.
Senator GRAY. When you went out to the ship, Capt. Wiltse was
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} When you went out to the ship, Capt. Wiltse was
 
not surprised to have you make this request, because you had arranged
 
not surprised to have you make this request, because you had arranged
 
with him before for such a contingency?
 
with him before for such a contingency?
Mr. STEVENS. Not at all.
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Senator GRAY. But you handed him the paper which you took out
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Not at all.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} But you handed him the paper which you took out
 
with you?
 
with you?
Mr. STEVENS. The official paper which had been used time after
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} The official paper which had been used time after
 
time by my predecessors.
 
time by my predecessors.
Senator GRAY. And you have already stated that the arrangements
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} And you have already stated that the arrangements
 
were made then and there between you for the landing of the troops.
 
were made then and there between you for the landing of the troops.
Mr. STEVENS. Only contingently—if belauded at all the request had
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Only contingently—if landed at all the request had
 
to come from me. And Capt. Wiltse knew that as well as I did.
 
to come from me. And Capt. Wiltse knew that as well as I did.
Senator GRAY. After you left the Boston, I understood the arrangement
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} After you left the ''Boston'', I understood the arrangement
 
was made between you for landing the troops, and you understood
 
was made between you for landing the troops, and you understood
 
they would carry their camp equipage with them, and it would not be
 
they would carry their camp equipage with them, and it would not be
 
necessary that you should provide quarters for them?
 
necessary that you should provide quarters for them?
Mr. STEVENS. It never entered my mind; I took it for granted without
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} It never entered my mind; I took it for granted without
 
consultation that the marines had their own tents.
 
consultation that the marines had their own tents.
Senator GRAY. And you were there informed that a hall would have
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to be provided ?
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} And you were there informed that a hall would have
Mr. STEVENS. Yes; and maps for the city.
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to be provided?
Senator GRAY. And when you left the ship it was understood that
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Yes; and maps for the city.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} And when you left the ship it was understood that
 
the troops were to march out to Mr. Atherton's place?
 
the troops were to march out to Mr. Atherton's place?
Mr. STEVENS. They were to do exactly as was done in 1889; march
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} They were to do exactly as was done in 1889; march
 
through the streets and get a lodging as soon as they could.
 
through the streets and get a lodging as soon as they could.
Senator GRAY. Was it understood that they were to go to Mr.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Was it understood that they were to go to Mr.
 
Atherton's when you left the ship?
 
Atherton's when you left the ship?
Mr. STEVENS. I do not remember.
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Senator GRAY. Was Mr. Atherton talked about on the ship?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I do not remember.
Mr. STEVENS. I could not remember that; I think it was a mere
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Was Mr. Atherton talked about on the ship?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I could not remember that; I think it was a mere
 
casual idea—that Mr. Atherton had those extensive grounds, and was
 
casual idea—that Mr. Atherton had those extensive grounds, and was
 
one of the leading American citizens, and they marched through the
 
one of the leading American citizens, and they marched through the
 
street to get grounds somewhere, and his grounds were large enough.
 
street to get grounds somewhere, and his grounds were large enough.
Senator GRAY. DO you undertake to say it was not understood they
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were to go to Mr. Atherton's when they left the ship ?
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Do you undertake to say it was not understood they
Mr. STEVENS. I do not remember. Whatever it was, it was a mere
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were to go to Mr. Atherton's when they left the ship?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I do not remember. Whatever it was, it was a mere
 
incident, and with no special relation to anything in view. They had
 
incident, and with no special relation to anything in view. They had
 
to go somewhere and secure a hall.
 
to go somewhere and secure a hall.
Senator GRAY. When you sent the note of recognition to the Provisional
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} When you sent the note of recognition to the Provisional
 
Government, to whom did you send it?
 
Government, to whom did you send it?
Mr. STEVENS. I have no doubt I sent it to the minister of foreign
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I have no doubt I sent it to the minister of foreign
 
affairs. Mr. Dole, under their organization, was President and minister
 
affairs. Mr. Dole, under their organization, was President and minister
 
of foreign affairs. Of course, the official usage is to send such
 
of foreign affairs. Of course, the official usage is to send such
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notes to the minister of foreign affairs. I have no doubt I sent it to
 
notes to the minister of foreign affairs. I have no doubt I sent it to
 
the minister of foreign affairs. I presume I conformed to the custom.
 
the minister of foreign affairs. I presume I conformed to the custom.
The CHAIRMAN. Had you previously heard of the proclamation of
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} Had you previously heard of the proclamation of
 
the Provisional Government?
 
the Provisional Government?
Mr. STEVENS. Yes.
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Senator GRAY. Had you a copy of that proclamationt
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Yes.
Mr. STEVENS. I can not say.
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Senator GRAY. Had you read that proclamation?
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Had you a copy of that proclamation?
Mr. STEVENS. I can not say that I had.
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Senator GRAY. Could you say that you had not?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I can not say.
Mr. STEVENS. I could not say that 1 had not.
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Senator GRAY. Was any proclamation sent to you?
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Had you read that proclamation?
Mr. STEVENS. Things had to be done very rapidly that afternoon.
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I can not say that I had.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Could you say that you had not?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I could not say that I had not.
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Was any proclamation sent to you?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Things had to be done very rapidly that afternoon.
 
I had no clerk and I was a sick man, and it was impossible for me to
 
I had no clerk and I was a sick man, and it was impossible for me to
 
make notes. I have no doubt I received the proclamation.
 
make notes. I have no doubt I received the proclamation.
Senator GRAY. And you can not say one way or the other whether
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} And you can not say one way or the other whether
 
a copy of that proclamation was sent to you?
 
a copy of that proclamation was sent to you?
Mr. STEVENS. I can not; I presume so. Mr. Pringle brought me
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I can not; I presume so. Mr. Pringle brought me
 
information and so did Mr. Carter, and so did others. I had it in
 
information and so did Mr. Carter, and so did others. I had it in
 
various ways.
 
various ways.
Senator GRAY. Were you aware when it was sent to you that the
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Were you aware when it was sent to you that the
 
terms of the Provisional Government were not settled until there was
 
terms of the Provisional Government were not settled until there was
 
annexation to the United States?
 
annexation to the United States?
Mr. STEVENS. I did not understand that.
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Senator GRAY. Were you aware that the proclamation was so made?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I did not understand that.
Mr. STEVENS. I never heard of it?
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Senator GRAY. Never heard of the proclamation?
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Were you aware that the proclamation was so made?
Mr. STEVENS. I did not know that that was the limit of the Provisional
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I never heard of it?
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Never heard of the proclamation?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} I did not know that that was the limit of the Provisional
 
Government until this controversy of Mr. Thurston and Mr.
 
Government until this controversy of Mr. Thurston and Mr.
 
Gresham.
 
Gresham.
Senator GRAY. When you were acting for the Government, you did
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} When you were acting for the Government, you did
 
not understand the terms in which the Government you were about to
 
not understand the terms in which the Government you were about to
 
recognize had been proclaimed?
 
recognize had been proclaimed?
Mr. STEVENS. The only fact that I took under consideration was
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that it was a de facto Government, and if that de facto Government
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} The only fact that I took under consideration was
had proposed to annex to Mormoudom I should have recognized it. I
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that it was a ''de facto'' Government, and if that ''de facto'' Government
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had proposed to annex to Mormondom I should have recognized it. I
 
should have recognized it regardless of any ulterior purposes of that
 
should have recognized it regardless of any ulterior purposes of that
 
Government.
 
Government.
Senator GRAY. In this important condition of affairs in Hawaii, you
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} In this important condition of affairs in Hawaii, you
 
did not consider it necessary to examine the terms on which that Government
 
did not consider it necessary to examine the terms on which that Government
 
was established?
 
was established?
Mr. STEVENS. All I wanted to know was that it was a de facto Government,
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} All I wanted to know was that it was a ''de facto'' Government,
 
and that information I had.
 
and that information I had.
Senator GRAY. Where did you get it, except from the proclamation ?
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Mr. STEVENS. Prom parties who came from the Government house
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Where did you get it, except from the proclamation?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} From parties who came from the Government house
 
and informed me, and I presume they sent a copy of the proclamation.
 
and informed me, and I presume they sent a copy of the proclamation.
Senator GRAY. Who were they?
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Mr. STEVENS. My impression is that Charles Carter was one and
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} Who were they?
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} My impression is that Charles Carter was one and
 
Mr. Pringle was another. Mr. Pringle was acting as my aid. Others
 
Mr. Pringle was another. Mr. Pringle was acting as my aid. Others
 
gave me the information. Which one brought it first I could not swear.
 
gave me the information. Which one brought it first I could not swear.
 
I think I first received the information from my daughter.
 
I think I first received the information from my daughter.
Senator GRAY. What time in the afternoon did this fact come to your
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Senator {{sc|Gray.}} What time in the afternoon did this fact come to your
 
knowledge that the Provisional Government had been proclaimed?
 
knowledge that the Provisional Government had been proclaimed?
Mr. STEVENS. Probably—I can not say positively; I did not look at
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Mr. {{sc|Stevens.}} Probably—I can not say positively; I did not look at
 
the watch—half past 2 or 3. It might have been earlier or a little
 
the watch—half past 2 or 3. It might have been earlier or a little
 
later.
 
later.

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Mr. Stevens. No; I did not say that. I presume I had. I think he called there on Sunday.

Senator Gray. On that Saturday or Sunday, when you had this conference with Capt. Wiltse, was it arranged that he should land the troops upon your making the request?

Mr. Stevens. The understanding was, if I did make the request, the troops would be landed.

Senator Gray. What was necessary?

Mr. Stevens. If it became necessary to land, that I would have to make the request. That was the official way, and I had the legation records before me running back twenty-five years. They could not land until the request came from me.

Senator Gray. When you went out to the ship, Capt. Wiltse was not surprised to have you make this request, because you had arranged with him before for such a contingency?

Mr. Stevens. Not at all.

Senator Gray. But you handed him the paper which you took out with you?

Mr. Stevens. The official paper which had been used time after time by my predecessors.

Senator Gray. And you have already stated that the arrangements were made then and there between you for the landing of the troops.

Mr. Stevens. Only contingently—if landed at all the request had to come from me. And Capt. Wiltse knew that as well as I did.

Senator Gray. After you left the Boston, I understood the arrangement was made between you for landing the troops, and you understood they would carry their camp equipage with them, and it would not be necessary that you should provide quarters for them?

Mr. Stevens. It never entered my mind; I took it for granted without consultation that the marines had their own tents.

Senator Gray. And you were there informed that a hall would have to be provided?

Mr. Stevens. Yes; and maps for the city.

Senator Gray. And when you left the ship it was understood that the troops were to march out to Mr. Atherton's place?

Mr. Stevens. They were to do exactly as was done in 1889; march through the streets and get a lodging as soon as they could.

Senator Gray. Was it understood that they were to go to Mr. Atherton's when you left the ship?

Mr. Stevens. I do not remember.

Senator Gray. Was Mr. Atherton talked about on the ship?

Mr. Stevens. I could not remember that; I think it was a mere casual idea—that Mr. Atherton had those extensive grounds, and was one of the leading American citizens, and they marched through the street to get grounds somewhere, and his grounds were large enough.

Senator Gray. Do you undertake to say it was not understood they were to go to Mr. Atherton's when they left the ship?

Mr. Stevens. I do not remember. Whatever it was, it was a mere incident, and with no special relation to anything in view. They had to go somewhere and secure a hall.

Senator Gray. When you sent the note of recognition to the Provisional Government, to whom did you send it?

Mr. Stevens. I have no doubt I sent it to the minister of foreign affairs. Mr. Dole, under their organization, was President and minister of foreign affairs. Of course, the official usage is to send such

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notes to the minister of foreign affairs. I have no doubt I sent it to the minister of foreign affairs. I presume I conformed to the custom.

The Chairman. Had you previously heard of the proclamation of the Provisional Government?

Mr. Stevens. Yes.

Senator Gray. Had you a copy of that proclamation?

Mr. Stevens. I can not say.

Senator Gray. Had you read that proclamation?

Mr. Stevens. I can not say that I had.

Senator Gray. Could you say that you had not?

Mr. Stevens. I could not say that I had not.

Senator Gray. Was any proclamation sent to you?

Mr. Stevens. Things had to be done very rapidly that afternoon. I had no clerk and I was a sick man, and it was impossible for me to make notes. I have no doubt I received the proclamation.

Senator Gray. And you can not say one way or the other whether a copy of that proclamation was sent to you?

Mr. Stevens. I can not; I presume so. Mr. Pringle brought me information and so did Mr. Carter, and so did others. I had it in various ways.

Senator Gray. Were you aware when it was sent to you that the terms of the Provisional Government were not settled until there was annexation to the United States?

Mr. Stevens. I did not understand that.

Senator Gray. Were you aware that the proclamation was so made?

Mr. Stevens. I never heard of it?

Senator Gray. Never heard of the proclamation?

Mr. Stevens. I did not know that that was the limit of the Provisional Government until this controversy of Mr. Thurston and Mr. Gresham.

Senator Gray. When you were acting for the Government, you did not understand the terms in which the Government you were about to recognize had been proclaimed?

Mr. Stevens. The only fact that I took under consideration was that it was a de facto Government, and if that de facto Government had proposed to annex to Mormondom I should have recognized it. I should have recognized it regardless of any ulterior purposes of that Government.

Senator Gray. In this important condition of affairs in Hawaii, you did not consider it necessary to examine the terms on which that Government was established?

Mr. Stevens. All I wanted to know was that it was a de facto Government, and that information I had.

Senator Gray. Where did you get it, except from the proclamation?

Mr. Stevens. From parties who came from the Government house and informed me, and I presume they sent a copy of the proclamation.

Senator Gray. Who were they?

Mr. Stevens. My impression is that Charles Carter was one and Mr. Pringle was another. Mr. Pringle was acting as my aid. Others gave me the information. Which one brought it first I could not swear. I think I first received the information from my daughter.

Senator Gray. What time in the afternoon did this fact come to your knowledge that the Provisional Government had been proclaimed?

Mr. Stevens. Probably—I can not say positively; I did not look at the watch—half past 2 or 3. It might have been earlier or a little later.