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Suppose you, as commanding officer, had received from
 
the Secretary of the
 
Navy an order that you should obey the instructions
 
and directions of a man
 
by the name of James H. Blount, then temporarily a
 
resident in the Islands
 
of Hawaii and a commissioner on the part of the United
 
States, would you
 
then feel obliged to obey his instructions?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  What is a commissioner?
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  He is nothing, in my opinion.  Call
 
him a minister
 
plenipotentiary.
 
 
 
Senator BUTLER:  Suppose, when you called upon Mr.
 
Blount for a copy of his
 
instructions he should give an authority from the
 
President of the United
 
States, who is Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy
 
of the United States,
 
would you then feel obliged to obey the order?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  Yes.
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  Suppose the authority from the
 
President of the United
 
States was an appointment as special commissioner for
 
the purpose of making
 
an investigation in the Hawaiian Islands, and the
 
President of the United
 
States should direct you by an order to obey the
 
orders of this
 
commissioner, would you feel obliged to do it?
 
 
 
Admiral BELKNAP:  Yes, if it implies that Mr. Blount
 
was to exercise
 
paramount authority in naval matters; but the
 
authority conferred upon him
 
is qualified by the words "acting in cooperation with
 
the commander of the
 
naval forces," which I submit implies consultation and
 
joint action of the
 
parties concerned. If he should order me to make war
 
upon the Government of
 
those islands I should feel that I could not do it,
 
for under the
 
regulations I would have been held solely responsible
 
for the act of war.
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  Even with these instructions from the
 
President of the
 
United States, under the regulations of the Navy
 
Department does not the
 
responsibility still remain with the commanding
 
officer?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  It does still remain.
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  Is there any way of relieving the
 
officer of that
 
responsibility? If the President of the United States
 
or the Secretary of
 
the Navy were to send an order direct to you to land
 
troops or refrain from
 
landing troops that would relieve you from
 
responsibility?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  That would relieve me.
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  But sending an order to you to obey
 
the instructions of
 
somebody else can not change the responsibility from
 
you to somebody else?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  No, not under the terms of the
 
regulations.
 
 
 
Senator BUTLER:  That proceeds upon the theory that
 
no naval officer is
 
bound to obey an illegal order, and he is the sole
 
judge as to whether it is
 
illegal?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  Yes, in so far as law and regulation
 
covers the particular
 
case.
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  This is addressed to Rear-Admiral
 
Skerrett.
 
                 
 
"HONOLULU, ''March 31, 1893.''
 
 
 
"Sir: You are directed to haul down the United
 
States ensign from
 
the Government building, and to embark the troops now
 
on the shore to the
 
ship to which they belong. This will be executed at 11
 
o'clock on the 1st
 
day of April.
 
 
 
"I am, sir, your obedient servant,
 
                 
 
"JAMES H. BLOUNT,
 
                                                               
 
'' "Special Commissioner of the United States." ''
 
 
 
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Do you regard that as a legal order?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  I have been in the naval service nearly
 
forty-seven years,
 
and that is the most peremptory order I ever saw
 
issued by anybody. If Mr.
 
Blount wanted that done he might have requested the
 
admiral to do it, after
 
consultation with him. Such would have been the
 
courteous and cooperative
 
course.
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  Do you think Mr. Blount had any right
 
to give any such
 
order?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  I do not think he had, at least in such
 
peremptory terms.
 
There was no cooperation there.
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  And if the obeying of that order
 
involved the taking of
 
human life would you, as the commander of a ship, have
 
obeyed it?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  No; because I would have been held
 
responsible if anything
 
happened. Such order would not have relieved me from
 
the responsibility
 
imposed upon me by the regulations.
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  Notwithstanding the directions of the
 
Secretary of the Navy,
 
notwithstanding the instructions of the Secretary of
 
State to Mr. Blount,
 
notwithstanding Mr. Blount's direct order, under the
 
Naval Regulations you
 
would not be relieved from responsibility as a naval
 
officer in command?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  I would not have been relieved, but I
 
would have withdrawn
 
that force if the minister wished it.
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  I understand that. If there were no
 
great responsibility,
 
overwhelming responsibility, you would comply with the
 
wishes of the
 
minister just the same?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  Yes.
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  Now-----
 
                                                 
 
"U.S. LEGATION, HONOLULU, HAWAIIAN ISLANDS,
 
                 
 
'' "January 16, 1893.''
 
 
 
"Sir: In view of the existing critical
 
circumstances in Honolulu,
 
indicating an inadequate legal force, I request you
 
to land marines and
 
sailors from the ship under your command for the
 
protection of the U. S.
 
legation and the U. S. consulate, and to secure the
 
safety of American life
 
and property.
 
 
"Yours, truly,
 
                 
 
"JOHN L. STEVENS,
 
                                             
 
'' "Envoy Extraordinary, etc., of the United States.''
 
 
 
"To Capt. C. C. WILTSE."
 
 
 
Do you regard that as a perfectly legitimate request,
 
and properly made?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  That is perfectly legitimate; a request
 
I have had made to me
 
a half dozen times during my service.
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  That request does not compel you to
 
land troops?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  It does not; it is a proper, legitimate,
 
and courteous request
 
from one official to another.
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  You would learn, as a naval officer,
 
all you could with
 
regard to the existing conditions, and if, in your
 
judgment, the safety of
 
the legation and the consulate and the security of
 
life and property were of
 
such a character as to require the landing of troops,
 
you would land them?
 
 
 
Mr. BELKNAP:  Yes. It is the business of an officer
 
to inform himself
 
thoroughly before taking such grave action.
 
 
 
Senator FRYE:  But notwithstanding the fact that you
 
had received that
 
request, if you had determined from your own
 
investigations,
 

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Suppose you, as commanding officer, had received from the Secretary of the Navy an order that you should obey the instructions and directions of a man by the name of James H. Blount, then temporarily a resident in the Islands of Hawaii and a commissioner on the part of the United States, would you then feel obliged to obey his instructions?

Mr. Belknap. What is a commissioner?

Senator Frye. He is nothing, in my opinion. Call him a minister plenipotentiary.

Senator Butler. Suppose, when you called upon Mr. Blount for a copy of his instructions he should give an authority from the President of the United States, who is Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, would you then feel obliged to obey the order?

Mr. Belknap. Yes.

Senator Frye. Suppose the authority from the President of the United States was an appointment as special commissioner for the purpose of making an investigation in the Hawaiian Islands, and the President of the United States should direct you by an order to obey the orders of this commissioner, would you feel obliged to do it?

Admiral Belknap. Yes, if it implies that Mr. Blount was to exercise paramount authority in naval matters; but the authority conferred upon him is qualified by the words "acting in cooperation with the commander of the naval forces," which I submit implies consultation and joint action of the parties concerned. If he should order me to make war upon the Government of those islands I should feel that I could not do it, for under the regulations I would have been held solely responsible for the act of war.

Senator Frye. Even with these instructions from the President of the United States, under the regulations of the Navy Department does not the responsibility still remain with the commanding officer?

Mr. Belknap. It does still remain.

Senator Frye. Is there any way of relieving the officer of that responsibility? If the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Navy were to send an order direct to you to land troops or refrain from landing troops that would relieve you from responsibility?

Mr. Belknap. That would relieve me.

Senator Frye. But sending an order to you to obey the instructions of somebody else can not change the responsibility from you to somebody else?

Mr. Belknap. No, not under the terms of the regulations.

Senator Butler. That proceeds upon the theory that no naval officer is bound to obey an illegal order, and he is the sole judge as to whether it is illegal?

Mr. Belknap. Yes, in so far as law and regulation covers the particular case.

Senator Frye. This is addressed to Rear-Admiral Skerrett.

"Honolulu, March 31, 1893.
"Sir: You are directed to haul down the United States ensign from the Government building, and to embark the troops now on the shore to the ship to which they belong. This will be executed at 11 o'clock on the 1st day of April.
"I am, sir, your obedient servant,
"James H. Blount,
"Special Commissioner of the United States."
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Do you regard that as a legal order?

Mr. Belknap. I have been in the naval service nearly forty-seven years, and that is the most peremptory order I ever saw issued by anybody. If Mr. Blount wanted that done he might have requested the admiral to do it, after consultation with him. Such would have been the courteous and cooperative course.

Senator Frye. Do you think Mr. Blount had any right to give any such order?

Mr. Belknap. I do not think he had, at least in such peremptory terms. There was no cooperation there.

Senator Frye. And if the obeying of that order involved the taking of human life would you, as the commander of a ship, have obeyed it?

Mr. Belknap. No; because I would have been held responsible if anything happened. Such order would not have relieved me from the responsibility imposed upon me by the regulations.

Senator Frye. Notwithstanding the directions of the Secretary of the Navy, notwithstanding the instructions of the Secretary of State to Mr. Blount, notwithstanding Mr. Blount's direct order, under the Naval Regulations you would not be relieved from responsibility as a naval officer in command?

Mr. Belknap. I would not have been relieved, but I would have withdrawn that force if the minister wished it.

Senator Frye. I understand that. If there were no great responsibility, overwhelming responsibility, you would comply with the wishes of the minister just the same?

Mr. Belknap. Yes.

Senator Frye. Now-----

"U.S. Legation, Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands,
"January 16, 1893.
"Sir: In view of the existing critical circumstances in Honolulu, indicating an inadequate legal force, I request you to land marines and sailors from the ship under your command for the protection of the U. S. legation and the U. S. consulate, and to secure the safety of American life and property.
"Yours, truly,
"John L. Stevens,
"Envoy Extraordinary, etc., of the United States.
"To Capt. C. C. Wiltse."

Do you regard that as a perfectly legitimate request, and properly made?

Mr. Belknap. That is perfectly legitimate; a request I have had made to me a half dozen times during my service.

Senator Frye. That request does not compel you to land troops?

Mr. Belknap. It does not; it is a proper, legitimate, and courteous request from one official to another.

Senator Frye. You would learn, as a naval officer, all you could with regard to the existing conditions, and if, in your judgment, the safety of the legation and the consulate and the security of life and property were of such a character as to require the landing of troops, you would land them?

Mr. Belknap. Yes. It is the business of an officer to inform himself thoroughly before taking such grave action.

Senator Frye. But notwithstanding the fact that you had received that request, if you had determined from your own investigations,


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