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1160 HAWAIIAN ISLANDS.
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U. S. E. S. DALE, 3D RATE,
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Navy-Yard, Washington, D. C, January 19, 1894.
+
U.S.R.S. DALE, 3D RATE,
Snt: (1) In compliance with your request I submit, with diffidence,
+
 
my views on the Hawaiian Islands, more especially from a military
+
''Navy-Yard, Washington, D. C, January 19, 1894.''
standpoint, and with reference to their value to the United States in
+
 
this respect.
+
Sir: (1) In compliance with your request I  
Contrary to the views expressed by others, I have differed with
+
submit, with diffidence, my
them in their conclusions thereon, as to their military value as a colonial
+
views on the Hawaiian Islands, more especially from a  
possession, holding, that, in time of war and without a navy equal
+
military standpoint,
or nearly equal to that of the greatest naval power, their possession
+
and with reference to their value to the United States  
would be a source of weakness rather than strength.
+
in this respect.
(2) In coming to this conclusion I have accepted, as a strategic fact,
+
 
two conditions existing in our national life, and which will continue to
+
Contrary to the views expressed by others, I have  
exist for many years to come, which are either ignored or not accepted
+
differed with them in
at their just value, by other writers, in dealing with such fact.
+
their conclusions thereon, as to their military value  
(3) The first condition is, as stated before, the nonpossession of a
+
as a colonial
naval force equal, or nearly so, to that of the greatest naval power;
+
possession, holding, that, in time of war and without  
and the second is, the improbability of Congress or our people ever
+
a navy equal or nearly
permitting the creation and maintenance of such force. These two
+
equal to that of the greatest naval power, their  
conditions, therefore, are, in themselves, sufficient to establish, from a
+
possession would be a
military standpoint, the fact above referred to, as being of a strategic
+
source of weakness rather than strength.
nature, and which must be taken into consideration in dealing with
+
 
this problem. Being so, we need seek therefore no further for reasons
+
(2) In coming to this conclusion I have accepted,  
for not acquiring the islands, such as are now being discussed in the
+
as a strategic fact,
public press.
+
two conditions existing in our national life, and  
(4) On the assumption that the wish is father to the thought, some
+
which will continue to
military writers are hoping that the islands once being acquired, the
+
exist for many years to come, which are either ignored  
United States would perforce be obliged to gradually create a large
+
or not accepted at
naval force; to be led into it, as it were, and thus, on the Jesuitical
+
their just value, by other writers, in dealing with  
plan that the end justifies the means, ultimately find ourselves in a
+
such fact.
position to successfully defend what we acquired, from their point of
+
 
view, more for that purpose than anything else. A careful scrutiny of
+
(3) The first condition is, as stated before, the  
this has convinced me of the fallacy of their reasoning, and, if followed
+
nonpossession of a
out, will only lead, in my opinion, to further mortification without
+
naval force equal, or nearly so, to that of the  
creating the force desired. Much as I wish, aud think necessary, for
+
greatest naval power; and
other just reasons, a larger !N"avy than that which we now possess, I
+
the second is, the improbability of Congress or our  
yet feel convinced that not until a distant future will we have one sufficiently
+
people ever permitting
large to warrant our launching out on a policy of colonial
+
the creation and maintenance of such force. These two  
acquisition with any degree of military safety.
+
conditions,
(5) Turning to the question (Hawaii being our colony) as to what we
+
therefore, are, in themselves, sufficient to  
would do with it in case of war with a great naval power, I could only
+
establish, from a military
say that we would ultimately have to let it go after having wasted a
+
standpoint, the fact above referred to, as being of a  
lot of money.
+
strategic nature, and
With Hawaii as our colony, national prudence would at least dictate
+
which must be taken into consideration in dealing with  
that we should at once have to set about putting it in a state of defense,
+
this problem. Being
 +
so, we need seek therefore no further for reasons for
 +
not acquiring the
 +
islands, such as are now being discussed in the public
 +
press.
 +
 
 +
(4) On the assumption that the wish is father to  
 +
the thought, some
 +
military writers are hoping that the islands once  
 +
being acquired, the United
 +
States would perforce be obliged to gradually create a  
 +
large naval force; to
 +
be led into it, as it were, and thus, on the  
 +
jesuitical plan that the end
 +
justifies the means, ultimately find ourselves in a  
 +
position to successfully
 +
defend what we acquired, from their point of view,  
 +
more for that purpose
 +
than anything else. A careful scrutiny of this has  
 +
convinced me of the
 +
fallacy of their reasoning, and, if followed out, will  
 +
only lead, in my
 +
opinion, to further mortification without creating the  
 +
force desired. Much
 +
as I wish, and think necessary, for other just  
 +
reasons, a larger Navy than
 +
that which we now possess, I yet feel convinced that  
 +
not until a distant
 +
future will we have one sufficiently large to warrant  
 +
our launching out on a
 +
policy of colonial acquisition with any degree of  
 +
military safety.
 +
 
 +
(5) Turning to the question (Hawaii being our  
 +
colony) as to what we
 +
would do with it in case of war with a great naval  
 +
power, I could only say
 +
that we would ultimately have to let it go after  
 +
having wasted a lot of
 +
money.
 +
 +
With Hawaii as our colony, national prudence  
 +
would at least dictate
 +
that we should at once have to set about putting it in  
 +
a state of defense,
 
and that in no small way, either.
 
and that in no small way, either.
(6) We can not presume that no great naval war will occur, but we
+
 
can presume that when such does come, the side which has the greater
+
(6) We can not presume that no great naval war  
force aud is ready first, stands the better chance of winning. If, then,
+
will occur, but we can
our first duty is to be ready to defend our colony, and the more so that
+
presume that when such does come, the side which has  
it is an island, wisdom would dictate that it should be a defense not
+
the greater force and
against the weakest naval power, but against the strongest; and this,
+
is ready first, stands the better chance of winning.
as said before, requires such a force as the country is not willing to
+
If, then, our first
create. Without, then, we immediately prepare, and on the required
+
duty is to be ready to defend our colony, and the more  
scale, we would not be in that state of readiness demanded by the situation.
+
so that it is an
The great time essential to the creation and mobilization of
+
island, wisdom would dictate that it should be a  
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defense not against the
battle fleets with all their accessories is now too well known not to be
+
weakest naval power, but against the strongest; and  
 +
this, as said before,
 +
requires such a force as the country is not willing to  
 +
create. Without,
 +
then, we immediately prepare, and on the required  
 +
scale, we would not be in
 +
that state of readiness demanded by the situation.
 +
The great time essential
 +
to the creation and mobilization of
 +
 
 +
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 +
 
 +
battle fleets with all their accessories is now too  
 +
well known not to be
 
seriously taken into account.
 
seriously taken into account.
(7) The last military consideration that I have to note relates to the
+
 
probable results of a war between ourselves and a greater naval power,
+
(7) The last military consideration that I have  
with respect to our island colonies, coupled with our nonpreparation
+
to note relates to the
and nonpossession of a nearly equal naval force. The breaking out of
+
probable results of a war between ourselves and a  
hostilities would undoubtedly witness the attempt of a fleet of battle
+
greater naval power, with
ships to wrest the islands from us and hold them by keeping the sea.
+
respect to our island colonies, coupled with our non
This would ultimately be done by bringing a second or third fleet to
+
preparation and non
reenforce the first if necessary, nor is the point sustained, which is sometimes
+
possession of a nearly equal naval force. The  
advanced, that a great naval power would hesitate to weaken
+
breaking out of hostilities
itself elsewhere in order to do this, especially when the result to be
+
would undoubtedly witness the attempt of a fleet of  
attained absolutely requires such action.
+
battle ships to wrest
(8) In these days of great speeds, large coal radii, with cables and
+
the islands from us and hold them by keeping the sea.  
coaling stations, naval forces can quickly be massed, or moved from
+
This would ultimately
place to place, while the balance of power among the great nations
+
be done by bringing a second or third fleet to  
nowadays in Europe is too precious and too carefully established to
+
reenforce the first if
risk its disturbance simply to take advantage of each other.
+
necessary, nor is the point sustained, which is  
(9) The true American policy with respect to Hawaii, from a military
+
sometimes advanced, that a
standpoint, would seem to be their neutralization by international
+
great naval power would hesitate to weaken itself
treaty, so that all could come to coal and relit there; in all other respects,
+
elsewhere in order to do
save perhaps the sentimental side, we have already all the advantages
+
this, especially when the result to be attained
that can ever accrue to us by actual possession.
+
absolutely requires such
I am, dear sir, with great respect, your obedient servant,
+
action.
E. S. HOUSTON,
+
Commander U. 8. Navy, Commanding.
+
(8) In these days of great speeds, large coal  
Hon. GEORGE GRAY, M. C,
+
radii, with cables and
Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs, Washington, D. 0.
+
coaling stations, naval forces can quickly be massed,  
WASHINGTON, D. C, Tuesday, February 13,1894.
+
or moved from place to
 +
place, while the balance of power among the great  
 +
nations nowadays in Europe
 +
is too precious and too carefully established to risk
 +
its disturbance simply
 +
to take advantage of each other.
 +
 
 +
(9) The true American policy with respect to  
 +
Hawaii, from a military
 +
standpoint, would seem to be their neutralization by  
 +
international treaty,
 +
so that all could come to coal and refit there; in all  
 +
other respects, save
 +
perhaps the sentimental side, we have already all the  
 +
advantages that can
 +
ever accrue to us by actual possession.
 +
 
 +
I am, dear sir, with great respect, your  
 +
obedient servant,
 +
                 
 +
E.S. HOUSTON,  
 +
                                                     
 +
''Commander U. 8. Navy, Commanding.''
 +
 
 +
Hon. GEORGE GRAY, M.C,
 +
 
 +
''Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs, Washington, D. C.''
 +
 
 +
 
 +
{{break}}
 +
 
 +
 
 +
WASHINGTON, D.C., ''Tuesday, February 13, 1894.''
 +
 
 
The subcommittee met pursuant to notice.
 
The subcommittee met pursuant to notice.
Present, the chairman (Senator Morgan) and Senators Sherman and
+
 
Erye.
+
Present, the chairman (Senator Morgan) and Senators Sherman and Frye.
 +
 
 
Absent, Senators Butler and Gray.
 
Absent, Senators Butler and Gray.
SWORN STATEMENT OF Z. S. SPALDING—Continued.
+
 
The CHAIRMAN. Toucan make any statements in explanation of your
+
                 
deposition, which you have just examined, with a view to its correction,
+
SWORN STATEMENT OF Z.S. SPALDING----Continued.
that you may think necessary to make more plain your meaning.
+
 
Mr. SPALDING. I find upon examination of the stenographic, report
+
The CHAIRMAN. You can make any statements in  
of my former statement that I may be misunderstood regarding my estimate
+
explanation of your deposition,
of the capacity of the Hawaiian Islands for supporting a larger
+
which you have just examined, with a view to its  
population than is now to be found in the country.
+
correction, that you may
I would explain that 1 mean to convey the idea or opinion that the
+
think necessary to make more plain your meaning.
country is not and never can be a manufacturing or commercial country
+
 
based upon its own products. It lacks in mineral resources everything
+
Mr. SPALDING. I find upon examination of the  
required for manufacturing, and can hardly be said to have even agricultural
+
stenographic report of my
advantages necessary to compete with more favored countries
+
former statement that I may be misunderstood regarding  
to the point of exporting enough to pay for what necessary imports
+
my estimate of the
would be required from abroad. Sugar, coffee, rice, and other staples
+
capacity of the Hawaiian Islands for supporting a  
 +
larger population than is
 +
now to be found in the country.
 +
 
 +
I would explain that I mean to convey the idea or  
 +
opinion that the
 +
country is not and never can be a manufacturing or  
 +
commercial country based
 +
upon its own products. It lacks in mineral resources  
 +
everything required
 +
for manufacturing, and can hardly be said to have even  
 +
agricultural
 +
advantages necessary to compete with more favored  
 +
countries to the point of
 +
exporting enough to pay for what necessary imports  
 +
would be required from
 +
abroad. Sugar, coffee, rice, and other staples

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U.S.R.S. DALE, 3D RATE,

Navy-Yard, Washington, D. C, January 19, 1894.

Sir: (1) In compliance with your request I submit, with diffidence, my views on the Hawaiian Islands, more especially from a military standpoint, and with reference to their value to the United States in this respect.

Contrary to the views expressed by others, I have differed with them in their conclusions thereon, as to their military value as a colonial possession, holding, that, in time of war and without a navy equal or nearly equal to that of the greatest naval power, their possession would be a source of weakness rather than strength.

(2) In coming to this conclusion I have accepted, as a strategic fact, two conditions existing in our national life, and which will continue to exist for many years to come, which are either ignored or not accepted at their just value, by other writers, in dealing with such fact.

(3) The first condition is, as stated before, the nonpossession of a naval force equal, or nearly so, to that of the greatest naval power; and the second is, the improbability of Congress or our people ever permitting the creation and maintenance of such force. These two conditions, therefore, are, in themselves, sufficient to establish, from a military standpoint, the fact above referred to, as being of a strategic nature, and which must be taken into consideration in dealing with this problem. Being so, we need seek therefore no further for reasons for not acquiring the islands, such as are now being discussed in the public press.

(4) On the assumption that the wish is father to the thought, some military writers are hoping that the islands once being acquired, the United States would perforce be obliged to gradually create a large naval force; to be led into it, as it were, and thus, on the jesuitical plan that the end justifies the means, ultimately find ourselves in a position to successfully defend what we acquired, from their point of view, more for that purpose than anything else. A careful scrutiny of this has convinced me of the fallacy of their reasoning, and, if followed out, will only lead, in my opinion, to further mortification without creating the force desired. Much as I wish, and think necessary, for other just reasons, a larger Navy than that which we now possess, I yet feel convinced that not until a distant future will we have one sufficiently large to warrant our launching out on a policy of colonial acquisition with any degree of military safety.

(5) Turning to the question (Hawaii being our colony) as to what we would do with it in case of war with a great naval power, I could only say that we would ultimately have to let it go after having wasted a lot of money.

With Hawaii as our colony, national prudence would at least dictate that we should at once have to set about putting it in a state of defense, and that in no small way, either.

(6) We can not presume that no great naval war will occur, but we can presume that when such does come, the side which has the greater force and is ready first, stands the better chance of winning. If, then, our first duty is to be ready to defend our colony, and the more so that it is an island, wisdom would dictate that it should be a defense not against the weakest naval power, but against the strongest; and this, as said before, requires such a force as the country is not willing to create. Without, then, we immediately prepare, and on the required scale, we would not be in that state of readiness demanded by the situation. The great time essential to the creation and mobilization of

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battle fleets with all their accessories is now too well known not to be seriously taken into account.

(7) The last military consideration that I have to note relates to the probable results of a war between ourselves and a greater naval power, with respect to our island colonies, coupled with our non preparation and non possession of a nearly equal naval force. The breaking out of hostilities would undoubtedly witness the attempt of a fleet of battle ships to wrest the islands from us and hold them by keeping the sea. This would ultimately be done by bringing a second or third fleet to reenforce the first if necessary, nor is the point sustained, which is sometimes advanced, that a great naval power would hesitate to weaken itself elsewhere in order to do this, especially when the result to be attained absolutely requires such action.

(8) In these days of great speeds, large coal radii, with cables and coaling stations, naval forces can quickly be massed, or moved from place to place, while the balance of power among the great nations nowadays in Europe is too precious and too carefully established to risk its disturbance simply to take advantage of each other.

(9) The true American policy with respect to Hawaii, from a military standpoint, would seem to be their neutralization by international treaty, so that all could come to coal and refit there; in all other respects, save perhaps the sentimental side, we have already all the advantages that can ever accrue to us by actual possession.

I am, dear sir, with great respect, your obedient servant,

E.S. HOUSTON,

Commander U. 8. Navy, Commanding.

Hon. GEORGE GRAY, M.C,

Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs, Washington, D. C.




WASHINGTON, D.C., Tuesday, February 13, 1894.

The subcommittee met pursuant to notice.

Present, the chairman (Senator Morgan) and Senators Sherman and Frye.

Absent, Senators Butler and Gray.


SWORN STATEMENT OF Z.S. SPALDING----Continued.

The CHAIRMAN. You can make any statements in explanation of your deposition, which you have just examined, with a view to its correction, that you may think necessary to make more plain your meaning.

Mr. SPALDING. I find upon examination of the stenographic report of my former statement that I may be misunderstood regarding my estimate of the capacity of the Hawaiian Islands for supporting a larger population than is now to be found in the country.

I would explain that I mean to convey the idea or opinion that the country is not and never can be a manufacturing or commercial country based upon its own products. It lacks in mineral resources everything required for manufacturing, and can hardly be said to have even agricultural advantages necessary to compete with more favored countries to the point of exporting enough to pay for what necessary imports would be required from abroad. Sugar, coffee, rice, and other staples