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:''Navy-Yard, Washington, D. C, January 19, 1894.''
  
U.S.R.S. DALE, 3D RATE,
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:{{sc|Sir}}: (1) In compliance with your request I submit, with diffidence, my views on the Hawaiian Islands, more especially from a military standpoint, and with reference to their value to the United States in this respect.
  
''Navy-Yard, Washington, D. C, January 19, 1894.''
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:Contrary to the views expressed by others, I have differed with them in their conclusions thereon, as to their military value as a colonial possession, holding, that, in time of war and without a navy equal or nearly equal to that of the greatest naval power, their possession would be a source of weakness rather than strength.
  
Sir: (1) In compliance with your request I  
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:(2) In coming to this conclusion I have accepted, as a strategic fact, two conditions existing in our national life, and which will continue to exist for many years to come, which are either ignored or not accepted at their just value, by other writers, in dealing with such fact.
submit, with diffidence, my
 
views on the Hawaiian Islands, more especially from a
 
military standpoint,
 
and with reference to their value to the United States
 
in this respect.
 
  
Contrary to the views expressed by others, I have
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:(3) The first condition is, as stated before, the nonpossession of a naval force equal, or nearly so, to that of the greatest naval power; and the second is, the improbability of Congress or our people ever permitting the creation and maintenance of such force.  These two conditions, therefore, are, in themselves, sufficient to establish, from a military standpoint, the fact above referred to, as being of a strategic nature, and which must be taken into consideration in dealing with this problem. Being so, we need seek therefore no further for reasons for not acquiring the islands, such as are now being discussed in the public press.
differed with them in
 
their conclusions thereon, as to their military value
 
as a colonial
 
possession, holding, that, in time of war and without
 
a navy equal or nearly
 
equal to that of the greatest naval power, their
 
possession would be a
 
source of weakness rather than strength.
 
  
(2) In coming to this conclusion I have accepted,  
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:(4) On the assumption that the wish is father to the thought, some military writers are hoping that the islands once being acquired, the United States would perforce be obliged to gradually create a large naval force; to be led into it, as it were, and thus, on the jesuitical plan that the end justifies the means, ultimately find ourselves in a position to successfully defend what we acquired, from their point of view, more for that purpose than anything else.  A careful scrutiny of this has convinced me of the fallacy of their reasoning, and, if followed out, will only lead, in my opinion, to further mortification without creating the force desired.  Much as I wish, and think necessary, for other just reasons, a larger Navy than that which we now possess, I yet feel convinced that not until a distant future will we have one sufficiently large to warrant our launching out on a policy of colonial acquisition with any degree of military safety.
as a strategic fact,
 
two conditions existing in our national life, and  
 
which will continue to
 
exist for many years to come, which are either ignored
 
or not accepted at
 
their just value, by other writers, in dealing with  
 
such fact.
 
  
(3) The first condition is, as stated before, the
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:(5) Turning to the question (Hawaii being our colony) as to what we would do with it in case of war with a great naval power, I could only say that we would ultimately have to let it go after having wasted a lot of money.
nonpossession of a
 
naval force equal, or nearly so, to that of the
 
greatest naval power; and
 
the second is, the improbability of Congress or our
 
people ever permitting
 
the creation and maintenance of such force.  These two
 
conditions,
 
therefore, are, in themselves, sufficient to
 
establish, from a military
 
standpoint, the fact above referred to, as being of a
 
strategic nature, and
 
which must be taken into consideration in dealing with
 
this problem. Being
 
so, we need seek therefore no further for reasons for
 
not acquiring the
 
islands, such as are now being discussed in the public
 
press.
 
 
 
(4) On the assumption that the wish is father to
 
the thought, some
 
military writers are hoping that the islands once
 
being acquired, the United
 
States would perforce be obliged to gradually create a
 
large naval force; to
 
be led into it, as it were, and thus, on the
 
jesuitical plan that the end
 
justifies the means, ultimately find ourselves in a
 
position to successfully
 
defend what we acquired, from their point of view,
 
more for that purpose
 
than anything else.  A careful scrutiny of this has
 
convinced me of the
 
fallacy of their reasoning, and, if followed out, will
 
only lead, in my
 
opinion, to further mortification without creating the
 
force desired.  Much
 
as I wish, and think necessary, for other just
 
reasons, a larger Navy than
 
that which we now possess, I yet feel convinced that
 
not until a distant
 
future will we have one sufficiently large to warrant
 
our launching out on a
 
policy of colonial acquisition with any degree of
 
military safety.
 
 
 
(5) Turning to the question (Hawaii being our  
 
colony) as to what we
 
would do with it in case of war with a great naval  
 
power, I could only say
 
that we would ultimately have to let it go after  
 
having wasted a lot of
 
money.
 
 
   
 
   
With Hawaii as our colony, national prudence  
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:With Hawaii as our colony, national prudence would at least dictate that we should at once have to set about putting it in a state of defense, and that in no small way, either.
would at least dictate
 
that we should at once have to set about putting it in  
 
a state of defense,
 
and that in no small way, either.
 
  
(6) We can not presume that no great naval war  
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:(6) We can not presume that no great naval war will occur, but we can presume that when such does come, the side which has the greater force and is ready first, stands the better chance of winning.  If, then, our first duty is to be ready to defend our colony, and the more so that it is an island, wisdom would dictate that it should be a defense not against the weakest naval power, but against the strongest; and this, as said before, requires such a force as the country is not willing to create.  Without, then, we immediately prepare, and on the required scale, we would not be in that state of readiness demanded by the situation.  The great time essential to the creation and mobilization of
will occur, but we can
 
presume that when such does come, the side which has  
 
the greater force and
 
is ready first, stands the better chance of winning.   
 
If, then, our first
 
duty is to be ready to defend our colony, and the more  
 
so that it is an
 
island, wisdom would dictate that it should be a  
 
defense not against the
 
weakest naval power, but against the strongest; and  
 
this, as said before,
 
requires such a force as the country is not willing to  
 
create.  Without,
 
then, we immediately prepare, and on the required  
 
scale, we would not be in
 
that state of readiness demanded by the situation.   
 
The great time essential
 
to the creation and mobilization of
 
  
 
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:battle fleets with all their accessories is now too well known not to be seriously taken into account.
  
battle fleets with all their accessories is now too
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:(7) The last military consideration that I have to note relates to the probable results of a war between ourselves and a greater naval power, with respect to our island colonies, coupled with our non preparation and non possession of a nearly equal naval force.  The breaking out of hostilities would undoubtedly witness the attempt of a fleet of battle ships to wrest the islands from us and hold them by keeping the sea. This would ultimately be done by bringing a second or third fleet to reenforce the first if necessary, nor is the point sustained, which is sometimes advanced, that a great naval power would hesitate to weaken itself elsewhere in order to do this, especially when the result to be attained absolutely requires such action.
well known not to be
 
seriously taken into account.
 
 
 
(7) The last military consideration that I have  
 
to note relates to the
 
probable results of a war between ourselves and a  
 
greater naval power, with
 
respect to our island colonies, coupled with our non  
 
preparation and non
 
possession of a nearly equal naval force.  The  
 
breaking out of hostilities
 
would undoubtedly witness the attempt of a fleet of  
 
battle ships to wrest
 
the islands from us and hold them by keeping the sea.  
 
This would ultimately
 
be done by bringing a second or third fleet to  
 
reenforce the first if
 
necessary, nor is the point sustained, which is  
 
sometimes advanced, that a
 
great naval power would hesitate to weaken itself  
 
elsewhere in order to do
 
this, especially when the result to be attained  
 
absolutely requires such
 
action.
 
 
   
 
   
(8) In these days of great speeds, large coal  
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:(8) In these days of great speeds, large coal radii, with cables and coaling stations, naval forces can quickly be massed, or moved from place to place, while the balance of power among the great nations nowadays in Europe is too precious and too carefully established to risk its disturbance simply to take advantage of each other.
radii, with cables and
 
coaling stations, naval forces can quickly be massed,  
 
or moved from place to
 
place, while the balance of power among the great  
 
nations nowadays in Europe
 
is too precious and too carefully established to risk  
 
its disturbance simply
 
to take advantage of each other.
 
  
(9) The true American policy with respect to  
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:(9) The true American policy with respect to Hawaii, from a military standpoint, would seem to be their neutralization by international treaty, so that all could come to coal and refit there; in all other respects, save perhaps the sentimental side, we have already all the advantages that can ever accrue to us by actual possession.
Hawaii, from a military
 
standpoint, would seem to be their neutralization by  
 
international treaty,
 
so that all could come to coal and refit there; in all  
 
other respects, save
 
perhaps the sentimental side, we have already all the  
 
advantages that can
 
ever accrue to us by actual possession.
 
  
I am, dear sir, with great respect, your  
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:I am, dear sir, with great respect, your obedient servant,
obedient servant,
 
 
                    
 
                    
E.S. HOUSTON,  
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:E.S. {{sc|Houston}},  
                                                     
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:''Commander U.S. Navy, Commanding.''  
''Commander U.S. Navy, Commanding.''
 
 
 
Hon. GEORGE GRAY, M.C,
 
 
 
''Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs, Washington, D. C.''
 
  
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:Hon. {{sc|George Gray}}, M.C,
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:''Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs, Washington, D. C.''
  
 
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{{break}}
 
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={{sc|Washington}}, D.C., ''Tuesday, February 13, 1894.''=
 
 
WASHINGTON, D.C., ''Tuesday, February 13, 1894.''  
 
 
 
 
The subcommittee met pursuant to notice.
 
The subcommittee met pursuant to notice.
  
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Absent, Senators Butler and Gray.
 
Absent, Senators Butler and Gray.
  
                 
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==SWORN STATEMENT OF Z.S. SPALDING-Continued.=
SWORN STATEMENT OF Z.S. SPALDING----Continued.
 
  
The CHAIRMAN. You can make any statements in  
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The {{sc|Chairman.}} You can make any statements in  
 
explanation of your deposition,
 
explanation of your deposition,
 
which you have just examined, with a view to its  
 
which you have just examined, with a view to its  
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think necessary to make more plain your meaning.
 
think necessary to make more plain your meaning.
  
Mr. SPALDING. I find upon examination of the  
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Mr. {{sc|Spalding.}} I find upon examination of the  
 
stenographic report of my
 
stenographic report of my
 
former statement that I may be misunderstood regarding  
 
former statement that I may be misunderstood regarding  

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U.S.R.S. Dale, 3d Rate,
Navy-Yard, Washington, D. C, January 19, 1894.
Sir: (1) In compliance with your request I submit, with diffidence, my views on the Hawaiian Islands, more especially from a military standpoint, and with reference to their value to the United States in this respect.
Contrary to the views expressed by others, I have differed with them in their conclusions thereon, as to their military value as a colonial possession, holding, that, in time of war and without a navy equal or nearly equal to that of the greatest naval power, their possession would be a source of weakness rather than strength.
(2) In coming to this conclusion I have accepted, as a strategic fact, two conditions existing in our national life, and which will continue to exist for many years to come, which are either ignored or not accepted at their just value, by other writers, in dealing with such fact.
(3) The first condition is, as stated before, the nonpossession of a naval force equal, or nearly so, to that of the greatest naval power; and the second is, the improbability of Congress or our people ever permitting the creation and maintenance of such force. These two conditions, therefore, are, in themselves, sufficient to establish, from a military standpoint, the fact above referred to, as being of a strategic nature, and which must be taken into consideration in dealing with this problem. Being so, we need seek therefore no further for reasons for not acquiring the islands, such as are now being discussed in the public press.
(4) On the assumption that the wish is father to the thought, some military writers are hoping that the islands once being acquired, the United States would perforce be obliged to gradually create a large naval force; to be led into it, as it were, and thus, on the jesuitical plan that the end justifies the means, ultimately find ourselves in a position to successfully defend what we acquired, from their point of view, more for that purpose than anything else. A careful scrutiny of this has convinced me of the fallacy of their reasoning, and, if followed out, will only lead, in my opinion, to further mortification without creating the force desired. Much as I wish, and think necessary, for other just reasons, a larger Navy than that which we now possess, I yet feel convinced that not until a distant future will we have one sufficiently large to warrant our launching out on a policy of colonial acquisition with any degree of military safety.
(5) Turning to the question (Hawaii being our colony) as to what we would do with it in case of war with a great naval power, I could only say that we would ultimately have to let it go after having wasted a lot of money.
With Hawaii as our colony, national prudence would at least dictate that we should at once have to set about putting it in a state of defense, and that in no small way, either.
(6) We can not presume that no great naval war will occur, but we can presume that when such does come, the side which has the greater force and is ready first, stands the better chance of winning. If, then, our first duty is to be ready to defend our colony, and the more so that it is an island, wisdom would dictate that it should be a defense not against the weakest naval power, but against the strongest; and this, as said before, requires such a force as the country is not willing to create. Without, then, we immediately prepare, and on the required scale, we would not be in that state of readiness demanded by the situation. The great time essential to the creation and mobilization of
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battle fleets with all their accessories is now too well known not to be seriously taken into account.
(7) The last military consideration that I have to note relates to the probable results of a war between ourselves and a greater naval power, with respect to our island colonies, coupled with our non preparation and non possession of a nearly equal naval force. The breaking out of hostilities would undoubtedly witness the attempt of a fleet of battle ships to wrest the islands from us and hold them by keeping the sea. This would ultimately be done by bringing a second or third fleet to reenforce the first if necessary, nor is the point sustained, which is sometimes advanced, that a great naval power would hesitate to weaken itself elsewhere in order to do this, especially when the result to be attained absolutely requires such action.
(8) In these days of great speeds, large coal radii, with cables and coaling stations, naval forces can quickly be massed, or moved from place to place, while the balance of power among the great nations nowadays in Europe is too precious and too carefully established to risk its disturbance simply to take advantage of each other.
(9) The true American policy with respect to Hawaii, from a military standpoint, would seem to be their neutralization by international treaty, so that all could come to coal and refit there; in all other respects, save perhaps the sentimental side, we have already all the advantages that can ever accrue to us by actual possession.
I am, dear sir, with great respect, your obedient servant,
E.S. Houston,
Commander U.S. Navy, Commanding.
Hon. George Gray, M.C,
Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs, Washington, D. C.

Washington, D.C., Tuesday, February 13, 1894.

The subcommittee met pursuant to notice.

Present, the chairman (Senator Morgan) and Senators Sherman and Frye.

Absent, Senators Butler and Gray.

=SWORN STATEMENT OF Z.S. SPALDING-Continued.

The Chairman. You can make any statements in explanation of your deposition, which you have just examined, with a view to its correction, that you may think necessary to make more plain your meaning.

Mr. Spalding. I find upon examination of the stenographic report of my former statement that I may be misunderstood regarding my estimate of the capacity of the Hawaiian Islands for supporting a larger population than is now to be found in the country.

I would explain that I mean to convey the idea or opinion that the country is not and never can be a manufacturing or commercial country based upon its own products. It lacks in mineral resources everything required for manufacturing, and can hardly be said to have even agricultural advantages necessary to compete with more favored countries to the point of exporting enough to pay for what necessary imports would be required from abroad. Sugar, coffee, rice, and other staples