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Senator GRAY: What developments did you witness in that line as to the impression created by the presence of those troops---- that they were there to support the Queen, or there to support the Provisional Government?

Mr. REEDER. I was just waiting to see what they would do, because I could not tell why they were there, and I did not know anybody who did know.

Senator GRAY: And you did not gather any impression at all?

Mr. REEDER: Not that I know of.

Senator GRAY: Have you any opinions, as a matter of fact, as to whether they had any influence upon the establishment of the Provisional Government, born from your observation there?

Senator GRAY: What is it?

Mr. REEDER: I think that the Government---- in those who were in power---- it excited some fears that they were there for the purpose not to sustain the Government, but to help change it somehow or other.

Senator GRAY: Not to sustain the existing Government?

Mr. REEDER: The Queen.

Senator GRAY: Was that the impression that you gathered from your talk with the people?

Mr. REEDER: Yes.

Senator GRAY: From what you saw and heard?

Mr. REEDER: Yes.

Senator GRAY: That they were there to aid the change in the Government? That is the way you put it?

Mr. REEDER: Yes.

Senator GRAY: Had you any interest, one way or the other?

Mr. REEDER: Not a bit of interest; not a cent's worth.

Senator GRAY: You belonged to neither party?

Mr. REEDER: No.

Senator GRAY: How long had you been on the islands?

Mr. REEDER: I had been there very close on to four months, and been among the people.

Senator GRAY: Largely?

Mr. REEDER: Yes.

Senator GRAY: You had been an interested observer of what was going on---- it was interesting to you?

Mr. REEDER: Yes.

Senator GRAY: You were alert---- your mind was alert, to take in what was going on around you?

Mr. REEDER: Yes; that was it.

Senator GRAY: What were you there for? Were you on business or on pleasure?

Mr. REEDER: I was there just as a tourist.

Senator GRAY: There for your health?

Mr. REEDER: That was part of my business there. I had something in my throat and I thought it would boil it out.

Senator GRAY: Was any of your family there with you?

Mr. REEDER: No.

Senator GRAY: May I ask you, if you will not consider it an impertinent question, what your politics are?

Mr. REEDER: I am a Republican. I never had a thought of politics while there. I was an American citizen. I had no allegiance to one party or the other. I determined that I would not imperil my safety. I had no interest whether the Queen's Government should survive or the missionary party should succeed. I intended to pursue such a

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course as to have the protection of my Government in case the Government fell into the hands of either of those peoples. I knew if I joined a party and became interested in it and the party which I had joined was beaten, I would lose the protection of my Government.

Senator GRAY: You did not want to join a party as a mere tourist there?

Mr. REEDER: No.

Senator GRAY: You had no business in joining either party, had you?

Mr. REEDER: No.

Senator GRAY: Did you have anything to do with the domestic affairs of those islands?

Mr. REEDER: No.

Adjourned until tomorrow, the 31st instant, at 10 o'clock a. m.

WASHINGTON, D. C., Wednesday, January 31,1894.

The subcommittee met pursuant to adjournment.

Present: The chairman (Senator MORGAN) and Senators BUTLER, GRAY, FRYE, and SHERMAN, and Senator DAVIS, of the full committee.

SWORN STATEMENT OF CHARLES L. MACARTHUR.

The CHAIRMAN: State your residence.

Mr. MACARTHUR: Troy, New York.

Senator FRYE: What is your business?

Mr. MACARTHUR: I am. the editor of the Troy Budget.

Senator FRYE: Were you at any time in the Hawaiian Islands?

Mr. MACARTHUR: Yes; the last of February, or early in March, 1893. I remained there about seven or eight weeks, I should say.

Senator FRYE: What was your business there?

Mr. MACARTHUR: I went there to get rest, practically; but I found a state of things that very much interested me, and I investigated.

Senator FRYE: You investigated the condition of affairs in the islands?

Mr. MACARTHUR: Yes. I presume you gentlemen have a paper from me. I wrote considerably. I wrote an article which was published pretty widely. I was there when Mr. Blount was there, and I saw him frequently. His wife and mine were acquainted and went about a good deal together.

The CHAIRMAN: That is your paper, the one with the map in it?

Mr. MACARTHUR: Yes. I could not cover as much ground as I wanted to because I found it of so much interest. I knew there was meat in it and I went right over it.

Senator FRYE: Did you make a special business of investigating the condition of affairs in the islands?

Mr. MACARTHUR: Yes.

Senator FRYE: And in the course of that investigation did you have communications with parties of both sides there, the royalists as well as the Provisional Government?

Mr. MACARTHUR: Yes. All the time I was there the Provisional Government was in power. I did not report the result of my investigations to Mr. Blount. I did on one affair. He mentioned here that