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Reports of Committee on Foreign Relations 1789-1901 Volume 6 pp1038-1039 300dpi scan (VERY LARGE!)

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tone of the people there that it had produced a good deal of violent feeling upon the part of those English-speaking people there.

The Chairman. They were opposed to it?

Mr. Reeder. Yes.

The Chairman. How did the native Kanaka population seem to be disposed toward it?

Mr. Reeder. I could not understand very much about that, because I could not speak their language. But they quietly acquiesced in it.

The Chairman. I suppose they are a quiet kind of people?

Mr. Reeder. Yes.

The Chairman. Disposed to acquiesce in matters that they can not easily reverse or prevent?

Mr. Reeder. They would rather lie down and enjoy themselves under a tree than engage in any industry-as a rule.

The Chairman. They have not the energy or the scope of the Anglo-Saxon, the Frenchman, German, or Portuguese?

Mr. Reeder. No.

The Chairman. Who, did you understand, was promoting this lottery scheme amongst the governing authorities there, the cabinet, the Queen, and any other persons?

Mr. Reeder. The native names there are so strange that I did not get the names, but I understood it was a good many of the house or the legislative body-the native men of the legislative body. I understood further that there was this about it: it was for the purpose of relieving themselves-creating a revenue-relieving themselves from debt and creating a source by which some money could be obtained. I believe that was the reason assigned by the Queen-that she had to have it to get more money.

The Chairman. On the part of the Queen you understood it to be a revenue measure?

Mr. Reeder. Yes.

The Chairman. Do you remember what offers they made-in order to induce the Government to grant the charter?

Mr. Reeder. No, I do not remember. I will say another thing in that connection. In the Legislature it was bandied back and forward among the natives that they had been bribed. There are two houses there, the house of commons or representatives and the house of nobles, and they would get into heated debates, and one would cast up to the other that they had received bribes.

The Chairman. Did they have an interpreter there?

Mr. Reeder. Yes. A native would make his speech in his native language and then the interpreter would repeat it in English.

The Chairman. Did you attend the meetings of this Legislative Assembly?

Mr. Reeder. Oh, yes.

The Chairman. You spoke of two Houses. You do not mean they were separate bodies?

Mr. Reeder. No; they all met together, but they were designated as such-House of Nobles and House of Representatives.

The Chairman. They sat together?

Mr. Reeder. Yes.

The Chairman. Were these accusations of bribery and corruption freely made in the House?

Mr. Reeder. Yes; especially when the debate would go along until it became heated.

The Chairman. So that the men who were resisting the grant of

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this concession to the lottery people were charging the other side with bribery and corruption, if I understand you?

Mr. Reeder. The natives would do it among themselves.

Senator Frye. Charge each other?

Mr. Reeder. Yes.

The Chairman. But I understand the accusations came from those who were opposed to the granting of the lottery charter.

Mr. Reeder. Yes.

The Chairman. They charged that those persons who were promoting or advancing this lottery scheme were bribed?

Mr. Reeder. Yes; that was the charge.

The Chairman. Did those charges produce any collision amongst those people?

Mr. Reeder. No; not that I saw.

The Chairman. Was there much anger exhibited?

Mr. Reeder. Yes; a good deal.

The Chairman. How did you understand that the Queen and cabinet were disposed toward this lottery business?

Mr. Reeder. I do not know that I could give you an intelligent answer in regard to that.

The Chairman. I mean what you gathered from general reputation in the community. Was it understood that the Queen and her cabinet-I mean the first cabinet that was there while you were in the islands-or the later one?

Mr. Reeder. This came up for action in the last days of the Legislature. You see the council, the legislative body, sat from May for about eight or nine months, I guess, and this was during the time I was there, and I did not get there until November.

The Chairman. Did you find this subject rife when you got there?

Mr. Reeder. No; but it was soon developed.

The Chairman. And the movement was made in the Legislature?

Mr. Reeder. Yes.

The Chairman. Did you understand that the cabinet which was there when you got there-the Wilcox-Jones cabinet-was favorable to or opposing this lottery bill?

Mr. Reeder. I did not know about that. The trouble that arose about the Wilcox-Jones cabinet arose mainly from some other things.

The Chairman. What were they? Proceed and state those other things to which you refer.

Mr. Reeder. As I understand the history (and I learned it from them) there had been constant friction there over this thing which they had conceded in the constitution of 1887.

The Chairman. You do not mean that they had conceded the lottery?

Mr. Reeder. No; that lottery business was developed after I got there.

The Chairman. Go on and make your statement.

Mr. Reeder. Up to 1887 they had a constitution which granted to the kings (who were the five Kamehamehas and Lunalilo, who followed them) this thing that they had conceded, which was the appointing power of the house of nobles, which house of nobles represented one-third of the body. This body was, I think, about 52 members, and 17 of them belonged to the house of nobles. The King, Kalakaua, had surrendered that right. They made that elective-of the house of nobles 17 members were made elective by the people. But they had made another property qualification-I mean these two parties to the constitution-which was that any man who could prove that he had $600 income, either from his


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