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Mr. STALKER. There was a party suggested it. I did not suggest
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to Mr. English, nor he to me, about coining here.
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Mr. STALKER. There was a party suggested it. I did  
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Senator FRYE. Was anything said about Mr. English coming over
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not suggest to Mr.
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and becoming a professor!
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English, nor he to me, about coming here.
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Mr. STALKER. We had some talk; yes—at least, I should say Mr.
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English made application to me with the view of securing a place; but
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Senator FRYE.   Was anything said about Mr. English  
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I gave him no encouragement to think that he could secure a place.
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coming over and becoming
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Senator FRYE. Bid you state to anybody here that when you were at
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a professor?
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the Government buildings on the day that the proclamation was made
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you saw paraded in front of the Government buildings the American
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Mr. STALKER. We had some talk; yes---- at least, I should  
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troops with their arms?
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say Mr. English made
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Mr. STALKER. I think not.
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application to me with the view of securing a place;  
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Senator FRYE. Anything of that kind?
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but I gave him no
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Mr. STALKER. I think not.
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encouragement to think that he could secure a place.
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Senator FRYE. Were you not informed that that statement could
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not be correct, because the testimony showed conclusively that the
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Senator FRYE.   Did you state to anybody here that  
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troops were back of Arion Hall, and were not in view of the Government
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when you were at the
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Government buildings on the day that the proclamation  
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was made you saw
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paraded in front of the Government buildings the  
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American troops with their
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arms?  
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Mr. STALKER.   I think not.
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Senator FRYE.   Anything of that kind?
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Mr. STALKER.   I think not.
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Senator FRYE.   Were you not informed that that  
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statement could not be
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correct, because the testimony showed conclusively  
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that the troops were back
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of Arion Hall, and were not in view of the Government  
 
Building?
 
Building?
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Mr. STALKER. I think my testimony was to the effect that the troops
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were in line with their arms.
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Mr. STALKER.   I think my testimony was to the effect  
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Senator FRYE. I was not asking what you testified to. i asked you
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that the troops were
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whether or not, previously to testifying before this committee, you
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in line with their arms.
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stated to any one that our American troops were in front of the Government
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Building, drawn up in front of the Government Building with
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Senator FRYE.   I was not asking what you testified  
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their guns, when the proclamation was being read?
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to.   I asked you
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Mr. STALKER. I did not.
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whether or not, previously to testifying before this  
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Senator FRYE. Anything of that kind?
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committee, you stated
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Mr. STALKER. NO; neither here nor elsewhere.
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to any one that our American troops were in front of  
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Senator FRYE. And you were not told by anybody that that would
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the Government
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not do, because the testimony showed that they were in the back yard
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Building, drawn up in front of the Government Building  
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of Arion Hall?
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with their guns, when
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Mr. STALKER. NO. Your statement is the first that I heard of any
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the proclamation was being read?
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such suggestion.
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WASHINGTON, D. C, Tuesday, January 30,1894.
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Mr. STALKER.   I did not.
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Senator FRYE.   Anything of that kind?
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Mr. STALKER.   No; neither here nor elsewhere.
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Senator FRYE. And you were not told by anybody that  
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that would not do,
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because the testimony showed that they were in the  
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back yard of Arion Hall?
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Mr. STALKER.   No. Your statement is the first that I  
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heard of any such
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suggestion.  
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WASHINGTON, D. C., ''Tuesday, January 30,1894.''
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The subcommittee met pursuant to adjournment.
 
The subcommittee met pursuant to adjournment.
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Present: The chairman (Senator MORGAN) and Senators GRAY and
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FRYE.
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Present.  The chairman (Senator MORGAN) and Senators  
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Absent: Senators BUTLER and SHERMAN.
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GRAY and FRYE.
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Absent. Senators BUTLER and SHERMAN.
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SWORN STATEMENT OF P. W. REEDER.
 
SWORN STATEMENT OF P. W. REEDER.
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The CHAIRMAN. Where do you reside and what is your age?
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Mr. REEDER. I am 68 years of age and I reside at Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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The CHAIRMAN.   Where do you reside and what is your  
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The CHAIRMAN. Have you been in the Hawaiian Islands recently ?
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age?
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Mr. REEDER. I have.
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The CHAIRMAN. When was that?
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Mr. REEDER.   I am 68 years of age and I reside at  
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Mr. REEDER. Last winter.
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Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
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The CHAIRMAN. How long a time did you stay there? Why did you
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go and when did you come away?
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The CHAIRMAN. Have you been in the Hawaiian Islands  
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HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. 1037
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recently??
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Mr. REEDER. I do not remember the dates; but it was during the
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months of November, December, January, and February.
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Mr. REEDER.   I have.
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The CHAIRMAN. Had you ever been there before?
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Mr. REEDER. No.
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The CHAIRMAN.   When was that?
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The CHAIRMAN. I suppose you were there as a tourist?
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Mr. REEDER. Yes.
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Mr. REEDER. Last winter.
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The CHAIRMAN. Did you spend much of your time in Honolulu or
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through the islands?
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The CHAIRMAN.   How long a time did you stay there?  
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Mr. REEDER. Most of the time in Honolulu.
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Why did you go and
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The CHAIRMAN. In what month did you get there?
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when did you come away?
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Mr. REEDER. I was there fifteen weeks in all, not quite four months.
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The CHAIRMAN. When you got there in November, did you ascertain
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or know whether there was any political excitement amongst the
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Mr. REEDER.   I do not remember the dates; but it was  
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during the months of
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November, December, January, and February.
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The CHAIRMAN.   Had you ever been there before?
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Mr. REEDER. No.  
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The CHAIRMAN.   I suppose you were there as a tourist?
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Mr. REEDER.   Yes.  
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The CHAIRMAN.   Did you spend much of your time in  
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Honolulu or through the
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islands?  
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Mr. REEDER.   Most of the time in Honolulu.
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The CHAIRMAN.   In what month did you get there?
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Mr. REEDER. I was there fifteen weeks in all, not  
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quite four months.
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The CHAIRMAN.   When you got there in November, did  
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you ascertain or know
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whether there was any political excitement amongst the  
 
Hawaiian people?
 
Hawaiian people?
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Mr. REEDER. None that appeared on the surface.
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The CHAIRMAN. Was there any question of grave importance politically
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Mr. REEDER.   None that appeared on the surface.
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that was under discussion among the people?
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Mr. REEDER. There was not. When you went to the state house
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The CHAIRMAN.   Was there any question of grave  
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you could see there was friction between the parties.
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importance politically that
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The CHAIRMAN. What parties?
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was under discussion among the people?
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Mr. REEDER. They are divided there between what is called the
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native party and the missionary party. The missionary party now
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Mr. REEDER.   There was not. When you went to the  
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does not mean missionary per se—persons who go there to teach religion—
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state house you could
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but it is a party that has received that name because it is opposed
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see there was friction between the parties.
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to native rule.
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The CHAIRMAN. Native rule or monarchical rule?
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The CHAIRMAN.   What parties?
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Mr. REEDER. That means native rule.
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The CHAIRMAN. What particular measures were under discussion
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Mr. REEDER.   They are divided there between what is  
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upon which these parties were divided?
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called the native party
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Mr. REEDER. One thing which was in the Legislature there, and
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and the missionary party.   The missionary party now  
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which gave rise to a good deal of ill feeling, was the discussion of the
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does not mean
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opium bill, and then the discussion of the lottery scheme. There were
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missionary per se-- persons who go there to teach  
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some men pushing their interests there—scheming for some sort of
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religion---- but it is a party
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license to indulge in the practice of lottery.
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that has received that name because it is opposed to
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The CHAIRMAN. DO you know who those men were—any of them ?
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native rule.
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Mr. REEDER. I did not know them; no. They were men, as I understand,
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from New Orleans.
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The CHAIRMAN.   Native rule or monarchical rule?
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The CHAIRMAN. Did you get the names of any of them?
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Mr. REEDER. NO, I did not.
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Mr. REEDER.   That means native rule.
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The CHAIRMAN. But they were there for the purpose of pressing their
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plan for getting a charter, I suppose, for the lottery scheme?
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The CHAIRMAN.   What particular measures were under  
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Mr. REEDER. Yes.
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discussion upon which
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The CHAIRMAN. Did you understand that it was a part of the scheme
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these parties were divided?
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that had been conducted in New Orleans?
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Mr. REEDER. I understood that they were there for that same purpose.
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Mr. REEDER.   One thing which was in the Legislature  
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The CHAIRMAN. Did the subject lead to much discussion among the
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there, and which gave
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people?
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rise to a good deal of ill feeling, was the discussion  
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Mr. REEDER. It did; yes.
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of the opium bill,
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The CHAIRMAN. Was it acrimonious?
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and then the discussion of the lottery scheme. There  
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Mr. REEDER. Yes.
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were some men pushing
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The CHAIRMAN. Fierce, was it?
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their interests there---- scheming for some sort of  
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Mr. REEDER. Yes. Before the matter was adjusted finally the ladies
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license to indulge in the
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thought they could intercept it between the time it passed the legislature
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practice of lottery.
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and thought tthheey ticmouel dth ien tseirgcneapttu riet bwya sp egtiivtieonn b, ya nLdil iyuoouk aclaonuild, thsee eQ ubeye nth—e
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The CHAIRMAN.   Do you know who those men were---- any of  
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them?
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Mr. REEDER.   I did not know them; no. They were men,  
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as I understand, from
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New Orleans.  
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The CHAIRMAN.   Did you get the names of any of them?
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Mr. REEDER.   No, I did not.
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The CHAIRMAN.   But they were there for the purpose of  
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pressing their plan
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for getting a charter, I suppose, for the lottery  
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scheme?
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Mr. REEDER.   Yes.  
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The CHAIRMAN.   Did you understand that it was a part  
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of the scheme that had
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been conducted in New Orleans?
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Mr. REEDER. I understood that they were there for  
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that same purpose.
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The CHAIRMAN.   Did the subject lead to much  
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discussion among the people?
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Mr. REEDER.   It did; yes.
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The CHAIRMAN.   Was it acrimonious?
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Mr. REEDER.   Yes.  
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The CHAIRMAN.   Fierce, was it?
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Mr. REEDER.   Yes. Before the matter was adjusted  
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finally the ladies thought
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they could intercept it between the time it passed the  
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legislature and the
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time the signature was given by Liliuokalani, the
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Queen----thought they
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could intercept it by petition, and you could see by
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the

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Mr. STALKER. There was a party suggested it. I did not suggest to Mr. English, nor he to me, about coming here.

Senator FRYE. Was anything said about Mr. English coming over and becoming a professor?

Mr. STALKER. We had some talk; yes---- at least, I should say Mr. English made application to me with the view of securing a place; but I gave him no encouragement to think that he could secure a place.

Senator FRYE. Did you state to anybody here that when you were at the Government buildings on the day that the proclamation was made you saw paraded in front of the Government buildings the American troops with their arms?

Mr. STALKER. I think not.

Senator FRYE. Anything of that kind?

Mr. STALKER. I think not.

Senator FRYE. Were you not informed that that statement could not be correct, because the testimony showed conclusively that the troops were back of Arion Hall, and were not in view of the Government Building?

Mr. STALKER. I think my testimony was to the effect that the troops were in line with their arms.

Senator FRYE. I was not asking what you testified to. I asked you whether or not, previously to testifying before this committee, you stated to any one that our American troops were in front of the Government Building, drawn up in front of the Government Building with their guns, when the proclamation was being read?

Mr. STALKER. I did not.

Senator FRYE. Anything of that kind?

Mr. STALKER. No; neither here nor elsewhere.

Senator FRYE. And you were not told by anybody that that would not do, because the testimony showed that they were in the back yard of Arion Hall?

Mr. STALKER. No. Your statement is the first that I heard of any such suggestion.


WASHINGTON, D. C., Tuesday, January 30,1894.

The subcommittee met pursuant to adjournment.

Present. The chairman (Senator MORGAN) and Senators GRAY and FRYE.

Absent. Senators BUTLER and SHERMAN.

SWORN STATEMENT OF P. W. REEDER.

The CHAIRMAN. Where do you reside and what is your age?

Mr. REEDER. I am 68 years of age and I reside at Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

The CHAIRMAN. Have you been in the Hawaiian Islands recently??

Mr. REEDER. I have.

The CHAIRMAN. When was that?

Mr. REEDER. Last winter.

The CHAIRMAN. How long a time did you stay there? Why did you go and when did you come away?

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Mr. REEDER. I do not remember the dates; but it was during the months of November, December, January, and February.

The CHAIRMAN. Had you ever been there before?

Mr. REEDER. No.

The CHAIRMAN. I suppose you were there as a tourist?

Mr. REEDER. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you spend much of your time in Honolulu or through the islands?

Mr. REEDER. Most of the time in Honolulu.

The CHAIRMAN. In what month did you get there?

Mr. REEDER. I was there fifteen weeks in all, not quite four months.

The CHAIRMAN. When you got there in November, did you ascertain or know whether there was any political excitement amongst the Hawaiian people?

Mr. REEDER. None that appeared on the surface.

The CHAIRMAN. Was there any question of grave importance politically that was under discussion among the people?

Mr. REEDER. There was not. When you went to the state house you could see there was friction between the parties.

The CHAIRMAN. What parties?

Mr. REEDER. They are divided there between what is called the native party and the missionary party. The missionary party now does not mean missionary per se-- persons who go there to teach religion---- but it is a party that has received that name because it is opposed to native rule.

The CHAIRMAN. Native rule or monarchical rule?

Mr. REEDER. That means native rule.

The CHAIRMAN. What particular measures were under discussion upon which these parties were divided?

Mr. REEDER. One thing which was in the Legislature there, and which gave rise to a good deal of ill feeling, was the discussion of the opium bill, and then the discussion of the lottery scheme. There were some men pushing their interests there---- scheming for some sort of license to indulge in the practice of lottery.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you know who those men were---- any of them?

Mr. REEDER. I did not know them; no. They were men, as I understand, from New Orleans.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you get the names of any of them?

Mr. REEDER. No, I did not.

The CHAIRMAN. But they were there for the purpose of pressing their plan for getting a charter, I suppose, for the lottery scheme?

Mr. REEDER. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you understand that it was a part of the scheme that had been conducted in New Orleans?

Mr. REEDER. I understood that they were there for that same purpose.

The CHAIRMAN. Did the subject lead to much discussion among the people?

Mr. REEDER. It did; yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Was it acrimonious?

Mr. REEDER. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Fierce, was it?

Mr. REEDER. Yes. Before the matter was adjusted finally the ladies thought they could intercept it between the time it passed the legislature and the time the signature was given by Liliuokalani, the Queen----thought they could intercept it by petition, and you could see by the

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