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The CHAIRMAN. So that their dependence for fuel for this purpose is
+
 
upon foreign ports entirely.
+
The CHAIRMAN. So that their dependence for fuel for  
Mr. SIMPSON. Yes.
+
this purpose is upon
The CHAIRMAN. They ought to make a good market for coal between
+
foreign ports entirely.
Honolulu and Seattle?
+
 
Mr. SIMPSON. Do not say Seattle. That is the poorest coal ou the
+
Mr. SIMPSON. Yes.  
Pacific coast.
+
 
Senator GRAY. Have you good coal in the Northwest?
+
The CHAIRMAN. They ought to make a good market for  
Mr. SIMPSON. Yes; we have good coal in the miues that have been
+
coal between Honolulu
worked a long wliile. Now, about the woods; the indigenous woods of
+
and Seattle?  
the Hawaiian Islands number 150 kinds. The insects have done considerable
+
 
damage to them; the most common is the borer, a species of
+
Mr. SIMPSON. Do not say Seattle. That is the poorest  
bug. I may say right there, on account of the limited amount of wood
+
coal on the Pacific
on the islands the question of rain has become quite a serious matter.
+
coast.  
When hogs and cattle became so plentiful they were turned loose, and
+
 
they rooted up the trees and roamed wild, and the greatest sport they
+
Senator GRAY. Have you good coal in the Northwest?
get down there is hunting wild cattle. They have destroyed all the
+
 
trees below 2,000 feet, and they passed laws while I was there prohibiting
+
Mr. SIMPSON. Yes; we have good coal in the mines that  
them cutting trees except for firewood.
+
have been worked a
The CHAIRMAN. When you say the cattle destroyed the trees you
+
long while.   Now, about the woods; the indigenous  
mean they ate the foliage and under plants?
+
woods of the Hawaiian
Mr. SIMPSON. Yes. Of indigenous woods the most common are the
+
Islands number 150 kinds. The insects have done  
Oahea.
+
considerable damage to
The CHAIRMAN. I do not care to go into that wood subject. My
+
them; the most common is the borer, a species of bug.
question was about getting fuel for steam navigation in the islands.
+
I may say right
Mr. SIMPSON. On Oahu is the best, at $13 per cord in 4-foot lengths.
+
there, on account of the limited amount of wood on the  
And rifjht there I would state that I sold, strange as it may seem, quite
+
islands the question
a quantity of firewood. I have an order from one firm in Honolulu to
+
of rain has become quite a serious matter. When hogs  
fill up whatever space we had with firewood from Puget Sound.
+
and cattle became so
The CHAIRMAN. You sold that to be delivered, but you never got a
+
plentiful they were turned loose, and they rooted up  
chance to deliver it?
+
the trees and roamed
Mr. SIMPSON. NO.
+
wild, and the greatest sport they get down there is  
The CHAIRMAN. Where did you get the data that you now hand me
+
hunting wild cattle.
in relation to the commerce between the United States and Hawaii ?
+
They have destroyed all the trees below 2,000 feet,  
Mr. SIMPSON. From the annual reports of the collector-general of
+
and they passed laws
customs of the Hawaiian Islands, and from reports emanating from
+
while I was there prohibiting them cutting trees  
the Treasury Department of the United States. One verified the other.
+
except for firewood.
The CHAIRMAN. Are you satisfied that the figures that are based
+
 
upon that data are correct?
+
The CHAIRMAN. When you say the cattle destroyed the  
Mr. SIMPSON. I am. The figures are as follows: The total export
+
trees you mean they ate
and import trade of Hawaiian Islands from first year of official data
+
the foliage and under plants?
recorded, 1855, to December 31,1892, amounts to $205,130,480, the
+
 
imports being $98,981,325 and exports $100,155,251. This is with all
+
Mr. SIMPSON. Yes. Of indigenous woods the most  
countries. The first year in which there is a complete record of the
+
common are the Oahea.
business done between the United States and Hawaiian Islands was
+
 
the year 1870. The total amount of merchandise and bullion exported
+
The CHAIRMAN. I do not care to go into that wood  
to and imported from Hawaiian Islands from 1870 to 1892, inclusive, is
+
subject. My question was
valued at $203,145,447, divided as follows:
+
about getting fuel for steam navigation in the  
Total
+
islands.
Exported
+
 
to Hawaiian
+
Mr. SIMPSON. On Oahu is the best, at $13 per cord in  
Islands.
+
4-foot lengths. And
$55,183, 611
+
right there I would state that I sold, strange as it  
8,108, 508
+
may seem, quite a
63,292,119
+
quantity of firewood. I have an order from one firm  
Imported
+
in Honolulu to fill up
from Hawaiian
+
whatever space we had with firewood from Puget Sound.
I s l a n d s .
+
 
$138, 670, 737
+
The CHAIRMAN. You sold that to be delivered, but you  
1,182, 501
+
never got a chance to
139, 853, 328
+
deliver it?  
Total.
+
 
$193,854, 348
+
Mr. SIMPSON. No.  
9,291, 099
+
 
203,145, 447
+
The CHAIRMAN. Where did you get the data that you now  
HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. 1137
+
hand me in relation
The above table gives some idea of the profit which has accrued to
+
to the commerce between the United States and Hawaii??
the American traders from the Hawaiian Islands traffic. The United
+
 
States secured from the Hawaiian Islands during a period of twenty-two
+
Mr. SIMPSON. From the annual reports of the  
years—
+
collector-general of customs of
Merchandise and bullion to the value of .-. $139, 853, 328
+
the Hawaiian Islands, and from reports emanating from  
For which they returned merchandise and bullion to the value ot bS, 2\M, 119
+
the Treasury
Showing a balance of trade in favor of the United States of 76, 561, 209
+
Department of the United States. One verified the  
The reciprocity treaty went into effect in September, 1870. The net
+
other.
total excess of imports over exports of both merchandise and bullion
+
 
up to 1877 was $3,139,997. By deducting this amount from the net
+
The CHAIRMAN. Are you satisfied that the figures that  
balance of trade from 1870 to 1892 the amount derived, $73,421,212,
+
are based upon that
represents the balance of trade in favor of American traders under the
+
data are correct?  
operation of the reciprocity treaty.
+
 
The foregoing figures show the difference in the volume of trade and
+
Mr. SIMPSON. I am. The figures are as follows: The  
the value of trade prior to and during the time of the operation of the
+
total export and
treaty of reciprocity of 1870.
+
import trade of Hawaiian Islands from first year of  
The CHAIRMAN. Does your table show whether there is any material
+
official data recorded,
falling off in the trade in consequence of the repeal of the tax on sugar?
+
1855, to December 31,1892, amounts to $265,136,486,  
Mr. SIMPSON. The figures do not show that conclusively, for this
+
the imports being
reason, that the season following the adoption of the McKinley bill
+
$98,981,325 and exports $166,155,251. This is with all  
the gross tonnage was increased very much, but the price was reduced
+
countries. The first
for that reason. The actual figures show the production of sugar was
+
year in which there is a complete record of the  
much greater than it had been prior. Some new sugar plantations
+
business done between the
came into bearing that were not producing before.
+
United States and Hawaiian Islands was the year 1870.  
The CHAIRMAN. Have the business enterprises with which you have
+
The total amount of
been associated made any examination into steaming coals in what you
+
merchandise and bullion exported to and imported from  
call the northwestern Pacific, that is, along the line of the United
+
Hawaiian Islands from
States and the British Possessions on the Pacific Ocean?
+
1870 to 1892, inclusive, is valued at $203,145,447,  
Mr. SIMPSON. I have In a general way. Of some particular kinds of
+
divided as follows:
coal I made a specific examination for the purpose of using them on our
+
 
line of steamship.
+
*** Jere Fix Table
The CHAIRMAN. Where was your line designed to run; from the
+
 
United States to where?
+
Total Exported to Hawaiian Islands. $55,183, 611  
Mr. SIMPSON. To points on Puget Sound; that is to say, Victoria,
+
Merchandise, plus  $8,108,
Seattle, and Tacoma.
+
508 Bullion, Total $63,292,119
The CHAIRMAN. Where did you expect to get your supply of fuel?
+
 
Mr. SIMPSON. It depended very largely on where we got the greatest
+
Imported from Hawaiian Islands. $138,670,737  
amount of our freight. If we could get a sufficient quantity of
+
Merchandise, plus $1,182,
freight to warrant us in going into Victoria to stop there, we would
+
501 Bullion, Total $139,853,328   Totals.  
have to get coal from the Comax mines in California. If it were not
+
$193,854,348 (Merchandise) ,
advisable to go in there we proposed to get a quantity of coal in Roslyiij
+
plus $9,291,099, (Bullion), Grand Total $203,145,447
in Washington, which is mined exclusively by the Northern
+
 
Pacific. It is equal to any coal in the State of Washington; but the
+
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Vancouver coal is a little cheaper, from the fact that the Northern
+
 
Pacific Bailroad Company put an arbitrary rate on carrying coal to
+
The above table gives some idea of the profit  
the seaboard, because they had to haul over the mountains.
+
which has accrued to the
The CHAIRMAN. What is the length of the haul to the sound?
+
American traders from the Hawaiian Islands traffic.
Mr. SIMPSON. About 75 miles.
+
The United States
The CHAIRMAN. IS there no coal available on Puget Sound?
+
secured from the Hawaiian Islands during a period of  
Mr. SIMPSON. That is the Eoslyn coal.
+
twenty-two years----
The CHAIRMAN. IS there no coal on Puget Sound but that which is
+
 
brought 70 or 75 miles by rail?
+
*** Jere fix table
Mr. SIMPSON. Within 7 or 8 miles of the sound.
+
 
The CHAIRMAN. Is that good coal?
+
Merchandise and bullion to the value of  
Mr. SIMPSON. It is fairly good coal, but not so good as Koslyn coal.
+
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+
$139,853,328
 +
For which they returned merchandise and bullion to the  
 +
value of  63,292,119
 +
Showing a balance of trade in favor of the  
 +
United States of 76,561,209  
 +
 
 +
September, 1876. The net
 +
total excess of imports over exports of both  
 +
merchandise and bullion up to
 +
1877 was $3,139,997. By deducting this amount from  
 +
the net balance of trade
 +
from 1876 to 1892 the amount derived, $73,421,212,  
 +
represents the balance of
 +
trade in favor of American traders under the operation
 +
of the reciprocity
 +
treaty.
 +
 
 +
The foregoing figures show the difference in the  
 +
volume of trade and
 +
the value of trade prior to and during the time of the  
 +
operation of the
 +
treaty of reciprocity of 1876.
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. Does your table show whether there is  
 +
any material falling
 +
off in the trade in consequence of the repeal of the  
 +
tax on sugar?
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. The figures do not show that  
 +
conclusively, for this reason,
 +
that the season following the adoption of the McKinley  
 +
bill the gross
 +
tonnage was increased very much, but the price was  
 +
reduced for that reason.
 +
The actual figures show the production of sugar was  
 +
much greater than it had
 +
been prior. Some new sugar plantations came into  
 +
bearing that were not
 +
producing before.  
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. Have the business enterprises with  
 +
which you have been
 +
associated made any examination into steaming coals in  
 +
what you call the
 +
northwestern Pacific, that is, along the line of the  
 +
United States and the
 +
British Possessions on the Pacific Ocean?
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. I have In a general way.   Of some  
 +
particular kinds of coal I
 +
made a specific examination for the purpose of using  
 +
them on our line of
 +
steamship.  
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. Where was your line designed to run;  
 +
from the United States
 +
to where?  
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. To points on Puget Sound; that is to  
 +
say, Victoria, Seattle,
 +
and Tacoma.  
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. Where did you expect to get your supply  
 +
of fuel?
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. It depended very largely on where we got  
 +
the greatest amount
 +
of our freight. If we could get a sufficient quantity  
 +
of freight to warrant
 +
us in going into Victoria to stop there, we would have
 +
to get coal from the
 +
Comax mines in California. If it were not advisable
 +
to go in there we
 +
proposed to get a quantity of coal in Roslyn in
 +
Washington, which is mined
 +
exclusively by the Northern Pacific. It is equal to  
 +
any coal in the State
 +
of Washington; but the Vancouver coal is a little  
 +
cheaper, from the fact
 +
that the Northern Pacific Railroad Company put an  
 +
arbitrary rate on carrying
 +
coal to the seaboard, because they had to haul over  
 +
the mountains.
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. What is the length of the haul to the  
 +
sound?
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. About 75 miles.
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. Is there no coal available on Puget  
 +
Sound?
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. That is the Roslyn coal.
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. Is there no coal on Puget Sound but  
 +
that which is brought 70
 +
or 75 miles by rail?
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. Within 7 or 8 miles of the sound.
 +
 
 +
The CHAIRMAN. Is that good coal?
 +
 
 +
Mr. SIMPSON. It is fairly good coal, but not so good  
 +
as Roslyn coal.
 +
 
 +
S. Doc. 281, pt 6----72

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The CHAIRMAN. So that their dependence for fuel for this purpose is upon foreign ports entirely.

Mr. SIMPSON. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. They ought to make a good market for coal between Honolulu and Seattle?

Mr. SIMPSON. Do not say Seattle. That is the poorest coal on the Pacific coast.

Senator GRAY. Have you good coal in the Northwest?

Mr. SIMPSON. Yes; we have good coal in the mines that have been worked a long while. Now, about the woods; the indigenous woods of the Hawaiian Islands number 150 kinds. The insects have done considerable damage to them; the most common is the borer, a species of bug. I may say right there, on account of the limited amount of wood on the islands the question of rain has become quite a serious matter. When hogs and cattle became so plentiful they were turned loose, and they rooted up the trees and roamed wild, and the greatest sport they get down there is hunting wild cattle. They have destroyed all the trees below 2,000 feet, and they passed laws while I was there prohibiting them cutting trees except for firewood.

The CHAIRMAN. When you say the cattle destroyed the trees you mean they ate the foliage and under plants?

Mr. SIMPSON. Yes. Of indigenous woods the most common are the Oahea.

The CHAIRMAN. I do not care to go into that wood subject. My question was about getting fuel for steam navigation in the islands.

Mr. SIMPSON. On Oahu is the best, at $13 per cord in 4-foot lengths. And right there I would state that I sold, strange as it may seem, quite a quantity of firewood. I have an order from one firm in Honolulu to fill up whatever space we had with firewood from Puget Sound.

The CHAIRMAN. You sold that to be delivered, but you never got a chance to deliver it?

Mr. SIMPSON. No.

The CHAIRMAN. Where did you get the data that you now hand me in relation to the commerce between the United States and Hawaii??

Mr. SIMPSON. From the annual reports of the collector-general of customs of the Hawaiian Islands, and from reports emanating from the Treasury Department of the United States. One verified the other.

The CHAIRMAN. Are you satisfied that the figures that are based upon that data are correct?

Mr. SIMPSON. I am. The figures are as follows: The total export and import trade of Hawaiian Islands from first year of official data recorded, 1855, to December 31,1892, amounts to $265,136,486, the imports being $98,981,325 and exports $166,155,251. This is with all countries. The first year in which there is a complete record of the business done between the United States and Hawaiian Islands was the year 1870. The total amount of merchandise and bullion exported to and imported from Hawaiian Islands from 1870 to 1892, inclusive, is valued at $203,145,447, divided as follows:

      • Jere Fix Table

Total Exported to Hawaiian Islands. $55,183, 611 Merchandise, plus $8,108, 508 Bullion, Total $63,292,119

Imported from Hawaiian Islands. $138,670,737 Merchandise, plus $1,182, 501 Bullion, Total $139,853,328 Totals. $193,854,348 (Merchandise) , plus $9,291,099, (Bullion), Grand Total $203,145,447

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The above table gives some idea of the profit which has accrued to the American traders from the Hawaiian Islands traffic. The United States secured from the Hawaiian Islands during a period of twenty-two years----

      • Jere fix table

Merchandise and bullion to the value of ................................. $139,853,328 For which they returned merchandise and bullion to the value of 63,292,119 Showing a balance of trade in favor of the United States of 76,561,209

September, 1876. The net total excess of imports over exports of both merchandise and bullion up to 1877 was $3,139,997. By deducting this amount from the net balance of trade from 1876 to 1892 the amount derived, $73,421,212, represents the balance of trade in favor of American traders under the operation of the reciprocity treaty.

The foregoing figures show the difference in the volume of trade and the value of trade prior to and during the time of the operation of the treaty of reciprocity of 1876.

The CHAIRMAN. Does your table show whether there is any material falling off in the trade in consequence of the repeal of the tax on sugar?

Mr. SIMPSON. The figures do not show that conclusively, for this reason, that the season following the adoption of the McKinley bill the gross tonnage was increased very much, but the price was reduced for that reason. The actual figures show the production of sugar was much greater than it had been prior. Some new sugar plantations came into bearing that were not producing before.

The CHAIRMAN. Have the business enterprises with which you have been associated made any examination into steaming coals in what you call the northwestern Pacific, that is, along the line of the United States and the British Possessions on the Pacific Ocean?

Mr. SIMPSON. I have In a general way. Of some particular kinds of coal I made a specific examination for the purpose of using them on our line of steamship.

The CHAIRMAN. Where was your line designed to run; from the United States to where?

Mr. SIMPSON. To points on Puget Sound; that is to say, Victoria, Seattle, and Tacoma.

The CHAIRMAN. Where did you expect to get your supply of fuel?

Mr. SIMPSON. It depended very largely on where we got the greatest amount of our freight. If we could get a sufficient quantity of freight to warrant us in going into Victoria to stop there, we would have to get coal from the Comax mines in California. If it were not advisable to go in there we proposed to get a quantity of coal in Roslyn in Washington, which is mined exclusively by the Northern Pacific. It is equal to any coal in the State of Washington; but the Vancouver coal is a little cheaper, from the fact that the Northern Pacific Railroad Company put an arbitrary rate on carrying coal to the seaboard, because they had to haul over the mountains.

The CHAIRMAN. What is the length of the haul to the sound?

Mr. SIMPSON. About 75 miles.

The CHAIRMAN. Is there no coal available on Puget Sound?

Mr. SIMPSON. That is the Roslyn coal.

The CHAIRMAN. Is there no coal on Puget Sound but that which is brought 70 or 75 miles by rail?

Mr. SIMPSON. Within 7 or 8 miles of the sound.

The CHAIRMAN. Is that good coal?

Mr. SIMPSON. It is fairly good coal, but not so good as Roslyn coal.

S. Doc. 281, pt 6----72