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− | it necessary, a steamship engaged in the transportation business, to | + | |
− | stop at any way port for coal. It is very seldom that they do that now. | + | it necessary, a steamship engaged in the |
− | The CHAIRMAN. Does the course of a vessel from San Francisco to | + | transportation business, to stop at |
− | + | any way port for coal. It is very seldom that they do | |
− | Mr. SIMPSON. | + | that now. |
− | + | ||
− | The CHAIRMAN. | + | The CHAIRMAN. Does the course of a vessel from San |
− | Mr. SIMPSON. The Geodetic Survey people make it 952 miles. | + | Francisco to Yokohama |
− | The CHAIRMAN. | + | take in Honolulu? |
− | distance, running at the ordinary rates at which they run in crossing | + | |
− | the Pacific Ocean ? | + | Mr. SIMPSON. No; Honolulu does not lie in the direct |
− | Mr. SIMPSON. The ships now in that traffic, when they go into Honolulu, | + | course between San |
− | lose an average of about three to three and a half days. Now, | + | Francisco and Yokohama. |
− | there is a point that comes up right there. | + | |
− | The CHAIRMAN. | + | The CHAIRMAN. How far away is it? |
− | Mr. SIMPSON. Yes. | + | |
− | The CHAIRMAN. Suppose it were between | + | Mr. SIMPSON. The Geodetic Survey people make it 952 |
− | Francisco? | + | miles. |
− | Mr. SIMPSON. Those lines do not go to | + | |
− | The CHAIRMAN. I mean, suppose there were a line between San | + | The CHAIRMAN. How long would it take a steamer to |
− | Francisco and | + | make that distance, |
− | Mr. SIMPSON. I am not sufficiently posted to say. | + | running at the ordinary rates at which they run in |
− | The CHAIRMAN. A steamship line from San Francisco to Australia, | + | crossing the Pacific |
− | would go by the Sandwich Islands? | + | Ocean? |
− | Mr. SIMPSON. It is in direct line. | + | |
− | The CHAIRMAN. So that a steamer going from Yokohama to San | + | Mr. SIMPSON. The ships now in that traffic, when they |
− | Francisco would have to leave its course about three days, if it had to | + | go into Honolulu, |
− | go into Honolulu for refreshment, fuel, or anything else? That would | + | lose an average of about three to three and a half |
− | + | days. Now, there is a | |
− | Mr. SIMPSON. Yes. But it does not seem to me to be very much of | + | point that comes up right there. |
− | a loss. The Pacific Mail Steamship Company and the Occidental and | + | |
− | Oriental Steamship Company, operating between San Francisco and | + | The CHAIRMAN. You are speaking now of Yokohama and |
− | Yokohama, are operating on an agreement between them whereby the | + | San Francisco? |
− | ship of one line stops in at Honolulu one month and one of the other | + | |
− | line the next month. They have a schedule of a year at a time, and by | + | Mr. SIMPSON. Yes. |
− | stopping in at Honolulu they do not make any more trips. Consequently | + | |
− | the pay roll goes on the same. In reference to the pay rolls | + | The CHAIRMAN. Suppose it were between Hong Kong and |
− | there is less difference between the money spent for labor on board | + | San Francisco? |
− | those ships running to China and Japan than there is on the ships running | + | |
− | from the American coast to the other points in the Pacific Ocean, | + | Mr. SIMPSON. Those lines do not go to Hong Kong. |
− | for the reason that they employ Chinese and Japanese laborers, and | + | |
− | get them very much cheaper. The cost of labor is only 5 per cent less | + | The CHAIRMAN. I mean, suppose there were a line |
− | than it is upon ships operating in the Atlantic Ocean and employing | + | between San Francisco and |
− | English labor; so that, for that reason, they only lose what coal is | + | Hong Kong, would not that go by Honolulu? |
− | + | ||
− | The CHAIRMAN. The point of my inquiry was in reference to the | + | Mr. SIMPSON. I am not sufficiently posted to say. |
− | advantage of the Hawaiian | + | |
− | as a resting place, place of refreshment, place of repairs in case of any | + | The CHAIRMAN. A steamship line from San Francisco to |
− | disaster to ships crossing from any portion of the United States to any | + | Australia, would go by |
− | of the large cities of Asia they might choose to enter. That was the | + | the Sandwich Islands? |
− | + | ||
− | have anything to add you may proceed to state it. | + | Mr. SIMPSON. It is in direct line. |
− | Mr. SIMPSON. There can be no question about the advantage of the | + | |
− | + | The CHAIRMAN. So that a steamer going from Yokohama | |
− | the islands as a coaling station for the Navy of this country. In a | + | to San Francisco would |
− | + | have to leave its course about three days, if it had | |
− | commercial way the loss of the principal lines in running from the | + | to go into Honolulu for |
− | + | refreshment, fuel, or anything else? That would be | |
− | that they may consume in making the trip, which, on the line now in | + | about the length of |
− | operation between San Francisco and Yokohama, would be in the | + | time? |
− | + | ||
− | points between Vancouver and Yokohama are of no benefit; but the | + | Mr. SIMPSON. Yes. But it does not seem to me to be |
− | running between Vancouver and Australia, or San Francisco and lines | + | very much of a loss. |
− | Australia, or Nicaragua and the Orient, are of inestimable value. | + | The Pacific Mail Steamship Company and the Occidental |
− | The CHAIRMAN. If the Hawaiian group of islands were in charge of | + | and Oriental Steamship |
− | some great and powerful maritime government, in your opinion would | + | Company, operating between San Francisco and Yokohama, |
− | it become a central distributing point of the commerce of the Pacific | + | are operating on an |
− | Ocean in almost every | + | agreement between them whereby the ship of one line |
− | + | stops in at Honolulu one | |
− | that under such conditions would it be likely that Honolulu or the | + | month and one of the other line the next month. They |
− | Hawaiian Islands might become a great commercial center? | + | have a schedule of a |
− | Mr. SIMPSON. From a commercial sense, strictly speaking, the | + | year at a time, and by stopping in at Honolulu they do |
− | + | not make any more | |
− | for the goods used within their own country. But in so far as the | + | trips. Consequently the pay roll goes on the same. |
− | protection of commercial shipping is concerned, the islands are certainly | + | In reference to the pay |
− | of great importance. That is to say, the Hawaiian Kingdom | + | rolls there is less difference between the money spent |
− | possessed by any maritime power would give to the ships of that nation | + | for labor on board |
− | + | those ships running to China and Japan than there is | |
− | The CHAIRMAN. What is the objection to productions of India and | + | on the ships running |
− | China and Japan meeting the productions of Mexico and the United | + | from the American coast to the other points in the |
− | States and British America for exchange at Honolulu? | + | Pacific Ocean, for the |
− | Mr. SIMPSON. That is a condition that more likely would have existed | + | reason that they employ Chinese and Japanese laborers, |
− | + | and get them very | |
− | + | much cheaper. The cost of labor is only 5 per cent | |
− | for an interchange of commodities on through business. But | + | less than it is upon |
− | now, with the railroad and steamship traffic, I can not see where it is | + | ships operating in the Atlantic Ocean and employing |
− | + | English labor; so that, | |
− | + | for that reason, they only lose what coal is actually | |
− | The CHAIRMAN. | + | necessary for them to |
+ | buy in making the trip. | ||
+ | |||
+ | The CHAIRMAN. The point of my inquiry was in | ||
+ | reference to the advantage of | ||
+ | the Hawaiian Islands---- of course, Honolulu in | ||
+ | particular---- as a resting place, | ||
+ | place of refreshment, place of repairs in case of any | ||
+ | disaster to ships | ||
+ | crossing from any portion of the United States to any | ||
+ | of the large cities of | ||
+ | Asia they might choose to enter. That was the point | ||
+ | of my question---- what you | ||
+ | have to say on that subject. If you have anything to | ||
+ | add you may proceed to | ||
+ | state it. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Mr. SIMPSON. There can be no question about the | ||
+ | advantage of the Hawaiian | ||
+ | Islands in the case either of disaster to ships or the | ||
+ | use of the islands as | ||
+ | a coaling station for the Navy of this country. In a | ||
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+ | commercial way the loss of the principal lines in | ||
+ | running from the United | ||
+ | States to the Orient is practically confined to the | ||
+ | extra coal that they may | ||
+ | consume in making the trip, which, on the line now in | ||
+ | operation between San | ||
+ | Francisco and Yokohama, would be in the neighborhood | ||
+ | of $600 or $900. Of | ||
+ | course, the lines running from points between | ||
+ | Vancouver and Yokohama are of | ||
+ | no benefit; but the running between Vancouver and | ||
+ | Australia, or San | ||
+ | Francisco and lines Australia, or Nicaragua and the | ||
+ | Orient, are of | ||
+ | inestimable value. | ||
+ | |||
+ | The CHAIRMAN. If the Hawaiian group of islands were | ||
+ | in charge of some great | ||
+ | and powerful maritime government, in your opinion | ||
+ | would it become a central | ||
+ | distributing point of the commerce of the Pacific | ||
+ | Ocean in almost every | ||
+ | direction---- a point of interchange and distribution? Of | ||
+ | course, the idea | ||
+ | which is couched in my question means that under such | ||
+ | conditions would it be | ||
+ | likely that Honolulu or the Hawaiian Islands might | ||
+ | become a great commercial | ||
+ | center? | ||
+ | |||
+ | Mr. SIMPSON. From a commercial sense, strictly | ||
+ | speaking, the Hawaiian | ||
+ | Islands can hardly be a commercial distributing point | ||
+ | except for the goods | ||
+ | used within their own country. But in so far as the | ||
+ | protection of | ||
+ | commercial shipping is concerned, the islands are | ||
+ | certainly of great | ||
+ | importance. That is to say, the Hawaiian Kingdom | ||
+ | possessed by any maritime | ||
+ | power would give to the ships of that nation a | ||
+ | particular advantage in times | ||
+ | of peril. | ||
+ | |||
+ | The CHAIRMAN. What is the objection to productions of | ||
+ | India and China and | ||
+ | Japan meeting the productions of Mexico and the United | ||
+ | States and British | ||
+ | America for exchange at Honolulu? | ||
+ | |||
+ | Mr. SIMPSON. That is a condition that more likely | ||
+ | would have existed prior | ||
+ | to 1850 than it is likely to exist there now, from the | ||
+ | fact that in those | ||
+ | days a line of clipper ships was in use, which made it | ||
+ | advantageous for an | ||
+ | interchange of commodities on through business. But | ||
+ | now, with the railroad | ||
+ | and steamship traffic, I can not see where it is going | ||
+ | to be of any benefit | ||
+ | to the commerce of the world, in a strictly commercial | ||
+ | sense, in so far as | ||
+ | making it a trading post is concerned. | ||
+ | |||
+ | The CHAIRMAN. You, therefore, assume that steam power | ||
+ | is to supplant the | ||
sailing ship entirely? | sailing ship entirely? | ||
− | Mr. SIMPSON. Certainly. In the days of sailing ships it was common | + | |
− | to use that point as a base of supplies where ships were engaged | + | Mr. SIMPSON. Certainly. In the days of sailing ships |
− | in various kinds of traffic, as, witness the whaling trade. It was better | + | it was common to use |
− | to employ ships to transport the products which the whaling ships | + | that point as a base of supplies where ships were |
− | procured than it was to send those ships all the way around the Horn; | + | engaged in various kinds |
− | it saved them considerable time for getting oil from the whale. | + | of traffic, as, witness the whaling trade. It was |
− | The CHAIRMAN. But transportation on sailing ships is cheaper than | + | better to employ ships to |
− | + | transport the products which the whaling ships | |
− | Mr. SIMPSON. That is true, of course, if limited to steady markets. | + | procured than it was to send |
− | But as that country stands there is no product that passes by that | + | those ships all the way around the Horn; it saved them |
− | island, no two products, one growing in the Orient and one in the | + | considerable time for |
− | South American Continent, that are interchangeable as a common | + | getting oil from the whale. |
− | thing. The usual route of vessels engaged in that trade is, they start | + | |
− | from England, go to Australia with commodities, and pick up a cargo | + | The CHAIRMAN. But transportation on sailing ships is |
− | there if possible. From there they go to some point on the Pacific | + | cheaper than on |
− | coast, load a cargo, and return to the United Kingdom. | + | steamers? |
− | The CHAIRMAN. Perhaps I can illustrate my question to you better | + | |
− | + | Mr. SIMPSON. That is true, of course, if limited to | |
− | a cargo of pig iron, hardware of the coarser kinds, heavier kinds, or | + | steady markets. But as |
− | steel bars for railways, or other material of that sort, on board a sailing | + | that country stands there is no product that passes by |
− | ship or steamer? | + | that island, no two |
− | Mr. SIMPSON. You mean commodities ? | + | products, one growing in the Orient and one in the |
+ | South American Continent, | ||
+ | that are interchangeable as a common thing. The usual | ||
+ | route of vessels | ||
+ | engaged in that trade is, they start from England, go | ||
+ | to Australia with | ||
+ | commodities, and pick up a cargo there if possible. | ||
+ | From there they go to | ||
+ | some point on the Pacific coast, load a cargo, and | ||
+ | return to the United | ||
+ | Kingdom. | ||
+ | |||
+ | The CHAIRMAN. Perhaps I can illustrate my question to | ||
+ | you better by | ||
+ | supposing a case. Suppose you have your choice | ||
+ | between sending a cargo of | ||
+ | pig iron, hardware of the coarser kinds, heavier | ||
+ | kinds, or steel bars for | ||
+ | railways, or other material of that sort, on board a | ||
+ | sailing ship or | ||
+ | steamer? | ||
+ | |||
+ | Mr. SIMPSON. You mean commodities? |
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it necessary, a steamship engaged in the transportation business, to stop at any way port for coal. It is very seldom that they do that now.
The CHAIRMAN. Does the course of a vessel from San Francisco to Yokohama take in Honolulu?
Mr. SIMPSON. No; Honolulu does not lie in the direct course between San Francisco and Yokohama.
The CHAIRMAN. How far away is it?
Mr. SIMPSON. The Geodetic Survey people make it 952 miles.
The CHAIRMAN. How long would it take a steamer to make that distance, running at the ordinary rates at which they run in crossing the Pacific Ocean?
Mr. SIMPSON. The ships now in that traffic, when they go into Honolulu, lose an average of about three to three and a half days. Now, there is a point that comes up right there.
The CHAIRMAN. You are speaking now of Yokohama and San Francisco?
Mr. SIMPSON. Yes.
The CHAIRMAN. Suppose it were between Hong Kong and San Francisco?
Mr. SIMPSON. Those lines do not go to Hong Kong.
The CHAIRMAN. I mean, suppose there were a line between San Francisco and Hong Kong, would not that go by Honolulu?
Mr. SIMPSON. I am not sufficiently posted to say.
The CHAIRMAN. A steamship line from San Francisco to Australia, would go by the Sandwich Islands?
Mr. SIMPSON. It is in direct line.
The CHAIRMAN. So that a steamer going from Yokohama to San Francisco would have to leave its course about three days, if it had to go into Honolulu for refreshment, fuel, or anything else? That would be about the length of time?
Mr. SIMPSON. Yes. But it does not seem to me to be very much of a loss. The Pacific Mail Steamship Company and the Occidental and Oriental Steamship Company, operating between San Francisco and Yokohama, are operating on an agreement between them whereby the ship of one line stops in at Honolulu one month and one of the other line the next month. They have a schedule of a year at a time, and by stopping in at Honolulu they do not make any more trips. Consequently the pay roll goes on the same. In reference to the pay rolls there is less difference between the money spent for labor on board those ships running to China and Japan than there is on the ships running from the American coast to the other points in the Pacific Ocean, for the reason that they employ Chinese and Japanese laborers, and get them very much cheaper. The cost of labor is only 5 per cent less than it is upon ships operating in the Atlantic Ocean and employing English labor; so that, for that reason, they only lose what coal is actually necessary for them to buy in making the trip.
The CHAIRMAN. The point of my inquiry was in reference to the advantage of the Hawaiian Islands---- of course, Honolulu in particular---- as a resting place, place of refreshment, place of repairs in case of any disaster to ships crossing from any portion of the United States to any of the large cities of Asia they might choose to enter. That was the point of my question---- what you have to say on that subject. If you have anything to add you may proceed to state it.
Mr. SIMPSON. There can be no question about the advantage of the Hawaiian Islands in the case either of disaster to ships or the use of the islands as a coaling station for the Navy of this country. In a
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commercial way the loss of the principal lines in running from the United States to the Orient is practically confined to the extra coal that they may consume in making the trip, which, on the line now in operation between San Francisco and Yokohama, would be in the neighborhood of $600 or $900. Of course, the lines running from points between Vancouver and Yokohama are of no benefit; but the running between Vancouver and Australia, or San Francisco and lines Australia, or Nicaragua and the Orient, are of inestimable value.
The CHAIRMAN. If the Hawaiian group of islands were in charge of some great and powerful maritime government, in your opinion would it become a central distributing point of the commerce of the Pacific Ocean in almost every direction---- a point of interchange and distribution? Of course, the idea which is couched in my question means that under such conditions would it be likely that Honolulu or the Hawaiian Islands might become a great commercial center?
Mr. SIMPSON. From a commercial sense, strictly speaking, the Hawaiian Islands can hardly be a commercial distributing point except for the goods used within their own country. But in so far as the protection of commercial shipping is concerned, the islands are certainly of great importance. That is to say, the Hawaiian Kingdom possessed by any maritime power would give to the ships of that nation a particular advantage in times of peril.
The CHAIRMAN. What is the objection to productions of India and China and Japan meeting the productions of Mexico and the United States and British America for exchange at Honolulu?
Mr. SIMPSON. That is a condition that more likely would have existed prior to 1850 than it is likely to exist there now, from the fact that in those days a line of clipper ships was in use, which made it advantageous for an interchange of commodities on through business. But now, with the railroad and steamship traffic, I can not see where it is going to be of any benefit to the commerce of the world, in a strictly commercial sense, in so far as making it a trading post is concerned.
The CHAIRMAN. You, therefore, assume that steam power is to supplant the sailing ship entirely?
Mr. SIMPSON. Certainly. In the days of sailing ships it was common to use that point as a base of supplies where ships were engaged in various kinds of traffic, as, witness the whaling trade. It was better to employ ships to transport the products which the whaling ships procured than it was to send those ships all the way around the Horn; it saved them considerable time for getting oil from the whale.
The CHAIRMAN. But transportation on sailing ships is cheaper than on steamers?
Mr. SIMPSON. That is true, of course, if limited to steady markets. But as that country stands there is no product that passes by that island, no two products, one growing in the Orient and one in the South American Continent, that are interchangeable as a common thing. The usual route of vessels engaged in that trade is, they start from England, go to Australia with commodities, and pick up a cargo there if possible. From there they go to some point on the Pacific coast, load a cargo, and return to the United Kingdom.
The CHAIRMAN. Perhaps I can illustrate my question to you better by supposing a case. Suppose you have your choice between sending a cargo of pig iron, hardware of the coarser kinds, heavier kinds, or steel bars for railways, or other material of that sort, on board a sailing ship or steamer?
Mr. SIMPSON. You mean commodities?